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Garry Kasparov,
superstar, the Napoleon of chess.
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Anything but the bookish type.
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- Charismatic.
- Flamboyant, outspoken.
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He's caused more controversy
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{\an8}and more upset
than any other champion in history.
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No man or machine can beat him.
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- You're so confident, aren't you?
- I must be confident.
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And I'm world champion.
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{\an8}Chess is psychological warfare.
It's my will against your will.
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It's the toughest kind of competition
in its purest form.
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If you win a chess game, you're better.
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- Better person?
- Yep, person and everything.
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You're better. I need new challenges.
That's why I played against computer.
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I'm taking any new challenge in the world.
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12-year-old
Hungarian schoolgirl, Judit Polgár,
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has won
a major international chess tournament
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and just made history.
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{\an8}In the beginning,
everybody underestimated me.
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I heard, "You're a girl.
You're little. What do you want here?"
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But chess, it's a mental sport.
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And you have to believe in yourself.
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Judit is the best player
of her age, regardless of gender,
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in the whole of chess history.
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Judit is the youngest
international chess master ever.
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She achieved the rank
three years earlier than world champions
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like Bobby Fischer and Garry Kasparov.
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{\an8}In 1994, Judit Polgár
was going to play Garry Kasparov
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{\an8}for the first time in her life.
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It was the first time in chess history
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that the number one
female chess player in the world
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{\an8}was going to play against
the very top male player in the world.
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It's something
that people are excited about,
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but people are also worried.
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Is she going to be killed?
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I bet you think we didn't know
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Didn't even see the tides change
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The shit gets thicker
It's toxic, get it out of my face
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And don't be surprised
If they don't buy your lies
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Some of us can see through
Your stained-glass eyes
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Pot kettle, pot kettle black
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Watch, watch, watch your back
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Chess is infinite possibility.
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{\an8}You have to be very prepared
to make a bad move,
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{\an8}but then calm down and come back.
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You always have new chances,
new opportunities.
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As in life,
you just have to be extremely resilient.
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The game is never finished
until it's really finished.
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When I was a kid, my dream was to play
with the best players in the world
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in the best tournaments in the world.
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But those dreams seemed impossible.
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Because of who I was…
and where I came from.
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Today, Hungary has a communist government.
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A modern totalitarian state.
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Freedom of speech was abolished.
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Crippled economy,
rampant inflation, unemployment.
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Millions of Hungarians
do several jobs to make ends meet.
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The highest suicide rate in Europe.
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When my three daughters were born,
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we were very poor.
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{\an8}We lived in a run-down house
in a workers' district.
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The walls were wet from ceiling to floor.
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I wanted a better life for my daughters.
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I started to study
the biographies of geniuses.
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{\an8}I think he read over 400 books
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{\an8}of the world's most influential figures
to study patterns.
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He realized that geniuses
are made, not born,
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{\an8}if they are educated in the right way.
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All of them started
at the age of 5 and studied one field
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for eight to nine hours every day.
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And László Polgár
together with his wife, Klára,
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decided that they were
going to be raising geniuses
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with this experiment.
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A lot of people felt like
this was almost child abuse,
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{\an8}that he was doing something that would
affect them negatively later in life.
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I never doubted that
this experiment would lead to success.
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{\an8}In the beginning,
I didn't know if he's right.
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{\an8}I'm telling you the truth.
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But I liked my husband, his idea.
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So why not?
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Why chess?
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Very simple.
The chessboard, it's easy to have it.
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And very cheap.
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{\an8}My sister Susan,
she's seven years older than I am.
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And Sofia is a year and a half older.
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So they were playing chess
already quite a bit.
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And when I was 5 years old,
I started my chess training.
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The foundations of chess,
it's very important.
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First of all, you have to learn
how the pieces are moving.
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You have six characters.
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The knight, the bishop,
the rook, the pawn…
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New opening strategies.
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Sicilian Defense, Berlin Defense.
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{\an8}When you lose touch with the piece,
it cannot be moved anywhere else.
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{\an8}My parents felt
it would be a waste of time,
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{\an8}at least from the academic perspective,
to go to school.
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So we were homeschooled.
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{\an8}My dad made a card system,
like in libraries.
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On each card,
there was strategies and tactics.
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And we had to remember
hundreds of thousands of cards.
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And my father created
this very special wall
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where we had 30 chessboards.
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Chess puzzles.
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And we had to write down
what is the solution.
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We were quite poor.
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Whatever money we had, we invested
in our chess coaching, training.
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One trainer came from 10:00 to 1:00.
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Another trainer came from 2:00 to 5:00.
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Even another one from 5:00 to 9:00.
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Basically, all day was around chess.
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And you don't have Saturdays,
Sundays, birthdays, celebrations.
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Every day was a working day.
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Still, the girls had a great time.
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When I was 6, I played my first tournament
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with the block where we lived.
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And I remember very vividly,
there was a little magnetic chess set,
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{\an8}as a first prize,
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{\an8}that I wanted to win very much.
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Normally, I was a very shy kid.
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But when playing chess, that was my world.
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I was a killer, attacker, aggressive.
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Everything was black or white.
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I wanted to kill my opponent.
I wanted to attack.
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I wanted to sacrifice everything
in order to get checkmate.
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I won my first tournament.
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And the little magnetic chess set.
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The feelings I gained from winning games,
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it was exceptionally powerful.
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After this, it was so obvious for me
that I'm going to be a chess player.
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Nothing else I could be.
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And if you want to become the best,
it's very important to have challenges.
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In order to prove his experiment,
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my father wanted us to play
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as strong of a competition
as we could, which meant men.
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But when we went to play against men,
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they looked at us like we were
planning to go to the moon.
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Chess was a male-dominated sport.
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It really was a men's club.
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They had strict segregation.
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Women were not allowed
to play in male tournaments.
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Women chess players
were not respected, to say the least.
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{\an8}- Do women make bad chess players?
- Oh, they're terrible chess players.
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I guess they're just not so smart.
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Does this apply to all women,
do you think?
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I guess so.
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They have never turned out
a good woman chess player.
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There is the pure mental ability
needed to understand chess
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{\an8}and to have deep,
meaningful thoughts about the game.
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{\an8}On the other hand, there's the personality
required to become good at the game.
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The evidence is that women
don't have either of these sides.
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This crazy idea,
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me and my sisters wanted to change it
in some way or another.
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If we could travel to tournaments,
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it would show to the world
that we can do it.
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In Hungary, as a communist country,
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you had to get permission
to travel to another country
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just to play in tournaments.
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You had to be in their good books.
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If you had creative ideas
and you wanted to be different,
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choosing for your kid to be homeschooled,
being a girl playing with men,
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this was not supported at all
by the communist government.
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Unlike other girl players,
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we were often restricted
to leave the Eastern Bloc.
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In the communist regime,
when you don't do what you're being told,
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you'll pay, and potentially
your whole family pays for it.
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Sometimes the police came out
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with machine guns
and got us out of bed in the morning.
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It happened that they were coming
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to put us to mental house
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or to the jail.
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And even, they said, that they could
take away the children from us.
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They take away the children from us.
You can imagine.
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My father was always trying
to prove his experiment.
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And he was ready to fight
for living the way he dreamt of.
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He was saying,
"Go back to the chessboard."
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The only response can be that
you work harder and you show results.
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{\an8}Generally, we were only allowed to play
in Hungary and in Eastern Europe.
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I was playing with adults
and winning one game after another.
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I needed a new challenge.
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Pleasure City Avenue…
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I played a lot of blind chess.
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Pawn to E4.
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Knight to C3.
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Knight to F7.
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Checkmate.
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My goal was to win every game.
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And of course, my real dream
was to enter into the top ten of the world
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and then be one of the best.
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At the time, the best player in the world
was Garry Kasparov from the Soviet Union.
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He was someone I was following
from a very young age.
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{\an8}And now a new chess champion
has been crowned. He's Garry Kasparov,
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the youngest chess champion
in the world, ever.
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We would gather on the carpet,
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watch his games,
and we would learn so much.
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Playing Kasparov is
like playing Larry Bird or Michael Jordan.
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{\an8}Unrelenting ambition,
unrelenting effort and strain on himself.
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Clearly the best at any speed.
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I don't see anyone
who could take the title from me
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unless, you know, I'm destroying myself.
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I was following very closely the ideas,
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the openings, what he was playing.
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I was also copying that.
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He was aggressive.
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I was also aggressive.
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I was a big fan of him.
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I was already dreaming
to play against him.
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According to the family legend,
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{\an8}I discovered chess
when I was probably 5 and a half.
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It was one of the winter evenings
in the city of Baku, Azerbaijan,
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in the deep south of the USSR,
the city where I was born and raised.
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I watched my parents trying to solve
a chess puzzle from the local newspaper.
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And I was mesmerized
by the secrets of the game.
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Just 64 squares, 32 pieces.
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I got immediately swallowed by the game.
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So I… It was a passion.
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Match made in heaven.
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In the Soviet Union,
chess was viewed as a political weapon.
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In order to demonstrate
the intellectual superiority
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of the communist regime
over the decadent West.
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There was a very broad network
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that could identify talented players
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and help develop these talents.
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It helped me to rise very quickly,
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because my talent
was discovered instantly.
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{\an8}Soviet chess was chess, period.
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{\an8}They dominated chess up and down.
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And they were producing men and women
champions year after year after year.
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If you wanted to learn chess
from the big ones,
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it was really the Soviet chess school.
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They were controlling
the top of the world in chess.
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At the time, Susan was already
playing well in very serious competitions.
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And then in 1984, in the women's ranking,
Susan was number one in the world.
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So she started to have
internationally recognized results.
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In news of the world tonight…
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Susan Polgár from Hungary…
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Susan Polgár is the best female…
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- The best female…
- Highest-rated in the world.
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That was very satisfying that even though
they tried to push me down,
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they didn't succeed.
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One expert called her
chess's version of Mozart.
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Her two prodigy sisters also had success.
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{\an8}Journalists came to Hungary
and asked for interviews.
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They couldn't understand
how is it possible
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{\an8}that the world number one female player
was not allowed to leave the Eastern Bloc.
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The journalists said if the authorities
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didn't stop discrimination
against the Polgár family,
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they would start
a worldwide fight against Hungary
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for human rights violations.
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At some point, the Hungarian government
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felt the pressure was getting too much,
too much bad press.
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Eventually, they had
to release our passports
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and we could travel to the West.
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We were so excited.
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I was dreaming to be able
to show our strength to the world.
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Now we can do it.
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{\an8}The Chess Olympiad in 1988
had over 100 countries participating.
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Each country sends
their best representatives.
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The Hungarian captain decided that
it's going to be the three of us, sisters,
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and the fourth player,
Ildikó Mádl, who goes to the Olympiad.
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It was strange to play
in the Women's Olympiad
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and play only against women.
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But we made an exception.
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Finally, we can showcase our skills.
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It really was us against the world.
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Tonight, on behalf of FIDE,
I welcome you to the 28th Chess Olympiad.
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The Chess Olympiad
is the Olympics of chess,
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and it's the biggest team competition,
the most prestigious event.
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Literally everyone comes there.
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To play a team event, to establish
the greatest chess country on Earth.
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There's two sections.
The men's competition,
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and there's the Women's Olympiad.
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Every day for two weeks,
a country is facing another country.
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Then the next day, another country.
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And the most you can win
each match is three points.
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The highest points wins an Olympic gold.
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Just getting into the tournament hall
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was, like, quite something.
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We were little girls.
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It was the first time that we saw the top
of the top, the cream of the chess world.
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Kasparov is there.
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I saw that Susan
was chatting with Garry Kasparov.
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And Sofia and myself,
we were like, giggling and smiling.
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That, "Wow, wow.
Kasparov is talking with us."
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There was so much controversy
about choosing the Polgárs.
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They're such a young team.
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A team of teenage girls competing against
the very best players in the world.
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They were great novelties,
but most people laughed at them and said,
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"Okay, there's the Soviet team."
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They dominated the chess world.
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They hadn't lost
an Olympiad for over 30 years.
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Nobody's gonna touch them.
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Please, all the players, take your seats.
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I get into the playing hall.
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I sit down.
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I played on board one.
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Judit played board two, right next to me.
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And on the third board,
Ildikó Mádl and I would alternate.
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I adjust the pieces.
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I'm shaking my leg
because of my nervousness,
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and wondering if I'm mentally prepared
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to play with
some of the best players in the world.
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Tension is increasing.
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But when the game starts,
it's a completely different mindset.
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I'm excluding everything that's going on
outside of the chessboard
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and focusing on the game.
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Fire, I'll take you to burn
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Fire, I'll take you to learn
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You're gonna burn
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You've been living like a little girl…
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I got into the flow during the match.
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And I won my game, one after another.
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You've been so blind…
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Oh yeah, she was an absolute sensation.
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After Judit won the first several games,
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people started fearing her.
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We knew that when she sat down,
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we have a very good chance
that we will win.
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We were definitely not used to
very young girls playing chess so well.
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It was so unusual.
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There she's sitting, this 12-year-old girl
with the open ponytail,
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and she is just dominating.
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She turned opponents into pitiful victims.
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Fire…
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The effect was such that suddenly,
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hundreds of people
came to visit that tournament.
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There was some sort of a Polgár mania.
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{\an8}The Polgárs are
an authentic chess phenomenon.
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They have a tremendous amount of talent.
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Judit, only 12,
is the best player of her age.
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Judit is the most talented.
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I wish I was so strong
when I was the same age.
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She has many chances to become…
First, to become a women's world champion.
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I have no doubt about it.
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The chess she played,
the energy behind every move was
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unseen in female chess.
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I played very well.
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But, of course, the Soviets
were playing extremely well also.
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The Polgár sisters need
a miracle to deprive the Russian women
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of the medal which they regard
as their own private property.
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I remember our teammate,
Ildikó Mádl, said,
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"If they give us the silver right now,
I'm ready to sign."
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Judit all along believed that the purpose
we're going there is to go for the gold.
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It rubbed off on everybody.
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Judit just kept winning her games.
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And Susan, Ildikó,
and myself were holding our own.
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It was the last round,
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and it was a huge tension
because everything was dependent on this
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if we are winning the gold medal or not.
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Most people did not believe
that the Soviets can be dethroned.
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I won very fast.
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Ildikó Mádl made a draw.
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It all came down to this game
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where Susan had
to fight against Pia Cramling,
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one of the greatest female players ever.
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It was intimidating, but I just tried
to make the best moves I can.
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Until the very last moment,
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it was not clear
whether we can get the gold medal.
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The last round finished,
and then we knew that it's gold.
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We were extremely happy.
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With a winning total of 33 points,
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the Hungarian team
has set a new all-time record.
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Judit came in and just wiped the floor
with everybody.
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She didn't lose a game.
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It was absolutely remarkable.
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Well, it proved to the world
who the Polgárs were.
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Gold medal goes to the team of Hungary.
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We felt that the whole world
is supporting us.
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It was a very uplifting feeling that we
experienced very little of back home.
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When we arrived back from
Thessaloniki to the Budapest airport,
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it was kind of
an unexpected situation suddenly.
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People were waiting for us.
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The Chess Olympiad was life changing.
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We left as black sheep
and arrived home as the golden girls.
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Hungarian nation
acknowledged Polgár family
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for the first time, really.
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00:27:10,583 --> 00:27:14,957
When I met you in the restaurant…
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We were invited to Parliament.
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The president was celebrating with us.
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00:27:23,208 --> 00:27:26,457
Does László Polgár
feel any satisfaction now?
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I'd be lying if I said no.
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00:27:28,750 --> 00:27:31,207
The government and the chess federation,
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everybody changed their tunes.
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00:27:33,166 --> 00:27:35,041
We couldn't do anything wrong.
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00:27:35,708 --> 00:27:38,165
The political landscape was changing.
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00:27:38,166 --> 00:27:40,874
The Berlin Wall was soon falling.
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00:27:40,875 --> 00:27:47,291
Between that and our win at the Olympiad,
it was much easier for us to travel.
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00:27:49,125 --> 00:27:52,707
Judit won a whole bunch
of tournaments that year,
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and there was no sibling rivalry.
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We all believed
that sky is the limit for her.
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00:27:59,041 --> 00:28:01,665
When will there be a woman world champion?
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Well, maybe she's sitting next to me.
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00:28:03,833 --> 00:28:05,750
I don't know.
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00:28:06,416 --> 00:28:08,749
The world's never seen anything like this.
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00:28:08,750 --> 00:28:10,874
She's getting better
with every tournament.
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00:28:10,875 --> 00:28:11,916
It's frightening.
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00:28:13,750 --> 00:28:18,375
I shifted 200 rating points
only half a year, which was enormous.
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00:28:19,958 --> 00:28:22,874
In chess, we have a rating system.
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00:28:22,875 --> 00:28:24,665
It is quite simple.
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00:28:24,666 --> 00:28:27,500
Two people play against each other,
and they both have a rating.
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If you beat me,
you gain points and I lose points.
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00:28:34,875 --> 00:28:39,500
So when I was 12 years old, I became
number one woman player in the world.
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But I wasn't stopping.
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I want to be a grandmaster,
and then my rating higher and higher.
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{\an8}In order to become a grandmaster,
you need to reach 2500 or above
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and you also need to perform
at a high level
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in three really competitive tournaments.
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00:29:05,375 --> 00:29:08,665
Judit was just
breaking those records down.
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00:29:08,666 --> 00:29:10,915
So the world had really gone crazy
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00:29:10,916 --> 00:29:16,957
about the possibility that she could break
Bobby Fischer's 33-year-old record
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of becoming the youngest person
to ever get a grandmaster title.
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Every month,
her picture was on the magazine.
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00:29:26,541 --> 00:29:28,208
Everyone was tracking her progress.
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00:29:34,208 --> 00:29:39,332
And then in 1991, I went to
the Hungarian Super Championship.
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It was, uh, when I was 15 and 4 months.
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This was my last opportunity
to break Bobby Fischer's record.
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{\an8}It was the strongest ever
Hungarian championship.
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{\an8}All of the Hungarian greats were there.
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{\an8}Obviously, nobody had in mind
that I am a contender.
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I was playing pretty good.
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00:30:16,333 --> 00:30:17,958
It was a shock to people.
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It was the last round.
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I was playing with the black pieces
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against the Hungarian grandmaster
Tibor Tolnai.
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And she just needed a draw against
Tibor Tolnai to become a grandmaster.
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But in order to win the tournament
and become the Hungarian champion,
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she needed a win.
So she was in a bit of a dilemma.
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She had to choose
whether to settle for a draw
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and become a grandmaster,
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or go all out and try to win
the championship as well.
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00:31:10,833 --> 00:31:13,540
Most chess players will settle for a draw,
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lose the national championship,
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but achieve the grandmaster title,
and then you make history.
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{\an8}If she loses, she would not get either.
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00:31:26,833 --> 00:31:28,958
Oh, they're terrible chess players.
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00:31:29,833 --> 00:31:32,375
I guess they're just not so smart.
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00:31:33,958 --> 00:31:36,499
I wanted to beat Bobby Fischer's record,
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00:31:36,500 --> 00:31:39,374
but I also wanted to win the event.
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00:31:39,375 --> 00:31:41,875
She chose the riskier version.
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00:31:44,458 --> 00:31:47,083
{\an8}I was so nervous for her.
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00:31:50,291 --> 00:31:54,125
I was playing very tactical,
very sharp positions.
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00:31:57,375 --> 00:31:59,666
I was breaking up the center.
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00:32:01,166 --> 00:32:05,291
Then at one point, I made a very
unexpected move for my opponent.
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00:32:08,875 --> 00:32:13,083
From the side,
I jumped to C4 with my knight.
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00:32:19,166 --> 00:32:22,540
Now I'm threatening to capture this pawn.
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00:32:22,541 --> 00:32:27,500
White cannot capture my knight
because I would be capturing it back,
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00:32:29,416 --> 00:32:33,541
and then I could double attack
the queen and the bishop,
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00:32:34,291 --> 00:32:36,666
and everything falls apart for white.
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00:32:41,500 --> 00:32:44,916
Sometimes only one move in a game
can make a difference.
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And then a few moves later…
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I won.
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00:33:09,166 --> 00:33:13,665
I became a grandmaster
when I was 15 years old and 4 months,
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breaking Bobby Fischer's record.
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00:33:19,875 --> 00:33:23,749
You can't overstate
the significance of this achievement.
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00:33:23,750 --> 00:33:28,415
Judit was the youngest person ever,
male or female,
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to become a grandmaster.
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00:33:30,750 --> 00:33:34,833
That a 15-year-old
would win the national championship
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and at the same time become a grandmaster,
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00:33:38,458 --> 00:33:40,916
it was like a fairy tale story.
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00:33:43,666 --> 00:33:47,333
Becoming a grandmaster is very important.
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00:33:49,083 --> 00:33:54,541
I gained more self-confidence
that I can beat such a caliber of player…
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00:33:56,583 --> 00:34:00,250
but now, I was thinking about,
"What's next?"
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00:34:12,416 --> 00:34:16,041
{\an8}Linares tournament,
the most important in the world.
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Linares is the Wimbledon of chess.
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{\an8}Once every year, we get together
in Linares and we determine who is who.
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It's the first time in chess history
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that a girl is among
the best male players in the world.
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00:34:39,708 --> 00:34:42,457
It was my first elite tournament.
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00:34:42,458 --> 00:34:45,375
The very best players were competing.
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Including Garry Kasparov.
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00:34:53,041 --> 00:34:56,541
Preparation for such a tournament
is very challenging,
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but we know it in advance,
so I had months to study.
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00:35:02,875 --> 00:35:06,332
It was very important for her
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to be well-prepared for the competition.
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00:35:08,583 --> 00:35:15,541
The opening variations
that Kasparov played had to be examined
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00:35:16,083 --> 00:35:19,666
and work out a counter to that.
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00:35:21,541 --> 00:35:23,332
I was a little bit nervous
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00:35:23,333 --> 00:35:26,249
and curious how I will manage to play
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00:35:26,250 --> 00:35:29,250
where every player
is considered better than I am.
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00:35:31,125 --> 00:35:32,957
Kasparov told me in an interview
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that "It's very nice that Judit
will play in Linares tournament."
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And he said, "And that way,
we shall know her real strength."
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00:35:41,583 --> 00:35:45,125
Well, actually, I don't know
what he means, "real strength."
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I'll try my best.
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Do you think you would beat him?
486
00:35:56,500 --> 00:35:58,749
{\an8}I was always dominant in Linares.
487
00:35:58,750 --> 00:36:01,791
I won Linares '92, '93
with… with big scores.
488
00:36:04,083 --> 00:36:07,290
And in '94, I felt confident
489
00:36:07,291 --> 00:36:09,708
because I was still the strongest player
in the world of chess.
490
00:36:10,958 --> 00:36:14,374
It was an incredibly significant moment
491
00:36:14,375 --> 00:36:16,540
because for the first time,
492
00:36:16,541 --> 00:36:20,249
we had the world champion, Garry Kasparov,
493
00:36:20,250 --> 00:36:23,916
facing off against
the world's best female player.
494
00:36:24,833 --> 00:36:28,332
It was, at the time,
unheard of that a female player
495
00:36:28,333 --> 00:36:29,957
would face the top male player
496
00:36:29,958 --> 00:36:32,541
because they wouldn't play
in the same competitions.
497
00:36:33,416 --> 00:36:36,000
This was a historic moment.
498
00:36:37,916 --> 00:36:40,082
It was her first tournament of that level.
499
00:36:40,083 --> 00:36:43,540
She was a top player, but…
500
00:36:43,541 --> 00:36:47,208
Yeah, but still a… a female player.
So she had to prove.
501
00:37:02,000 --> 00:37:06,375
Kasparov arrived 30 seconds
before the start of the game…
502
00:37:08,041 --> 00:37:11,708
and all the photographers were standing
in front of him with the flash.
503
00:37:16,916 --> 00:37:19,249
He gives this incredible self-confidence
504
00:37:19,250 --> 00:37:25,249
that "I know what I'm doing.
I'm prepared. I beat you up."
505
00:37:25,250 --> 00:37:28,500
You have the feeling
that he wants to eat you up alive.
506
00:37:35,333 --> 00:37:38,500
The first encounter
between him and myself…
507
00:37:39,666 --> 00:37:40,875
anything can happen.
508
00:37:44,916 --> 00:37:47,207
I was playing with the white pieces.
509
00:37:47,208 --> 00:37:49,125
I always played the same first move,
510
00:37:50,375 --> 00:37:51,999
1. e4.
511
00:37:52,000 --> 00:37:54,083
The King's Pawn opening.
512
00:37:55,208 --> 00:37:58,082
I knew very well
that when I played against Kasparov
513
00:37:58,083 --> 00:38:02,541
that it's going to be a Sicilian Defense,
as he's an expert in that.
514
00:38:03,458 --> 00:38:06,790
The Sicilian Defense is combative.
515
00:38:06,791 --> 00:38:10,707
The players come out fighting
for control of the center of the board,
516
00:38:10,708 --> 00:38:13,500
and this leads to
a very dynamic style of play.
517
00:38:19,833 --> 00:38:22,375
{\an8}And the game really opens up
pretty quickly.
518
00:38:22,958 --> 00:38:27,332
Judit has decided
that she wants to be ultra-aggressive
519
00:38:27,333 --> 00:38:29,750
and bring her queen near Kasparov's king.
520
00:38:32,208 --> 00:38:35,333
The queen is on the same line
as the black king,
521
00:38:36,000 --> 00:38:38,665
but you can't just
throw stuff at the king.
522
00:38:38,666 --> 00:38:41,250
Strong players will never let you
just knock them out.
523
00:38:43,750 --> 00:38:46,249
So you have to be a bit subtle about it.
524
00:38:46,250 --> 00:38:49,290
Judit was never that subtle
when she was a young player, however.
525
00:38:49,291 --> 00:38:53,166
She wanted to just come straight after you
and blow your head off.
526
00:38:55,916 --> 00:38:59,375
Against Kasparov,
a tricky deal, to be sure.
527
00:39:01,708 --> 00:39:04,958
Judit starts making moves
where she doesn't quite have a plan
528
00:39:06,291 --> 00:39:09,166
because she cannot find a path to attack,
529
00:39:09,958 --> 00:39:12,416
and she just loses control.
530
00:39:14,958 --> 00:39:18,083
From the very beginning,
Kasparov outplayed me.
531
00:39:20,291 --> 00:39:22,458
He played excellent moves.
532
00:39:25,208 --> 00:39:27,125
I was thinking quite a lot.
533
00:39:27,916 --> 00:39:30,416
I was using a lot of my time.
534
00:39:32,500 --> 00:39:34,708
It got worse and worse and worse.
535
00:39:37,541 --> 00:39:40,958
You could feel it was not very interesting
for the audience.
536
00:39:41,875 --> 00:39:44,290
People were going in and out.
537
00:39:44,291 --> 00:39:46,041
But of course, you never give up.
538
00:39:53,500 --> 00:39:56,458
Then we reached move 36,
539
00:39:57,458 --> 00:39:59,791
and something very strange happened.
540
00:40:01,208 --> 00:40:04,083
Kasparov moved his knight to C5.
541
00:40:08,666 --> 00:40:10,375
It was a huge blunder.
542
00:40:12,583 --> 00:40:15,083
Now I could move my bishop
543
00:40:16,583 --> 00:40:21,415
and I could make a double attack
where I attack his queen and the rook
544
00:40:21,416 --> 00:40:25,250
and you cannot make a move
which defends both attacks.
545
00:40:27,833 --> 00:40:32,082
Before this move, I knew that
I'm going to be losing the game.
546
00:40:32,083 --> 00:40:38,041
But at this point, I realized…
there is an option that I can draw.
547
00:40:40,083 --> 00:40:43,665
I can't even believe it that I'm playing
against the best player in the world
548
00:40:43,666 --> 00:40:45,125
and this is what I'm having.
549
00:40:48,166 --> 00:40:52,457
But after he released his hand,
he quickly picked the piece up
550
00:40:52,458 --> 00:40:56,916
and put it back to the initial square
to make a different move.
551
00:40:58,333 --> 00:41:00,874
This was a huge shock.
552
00:41:00,875 --> 00:41:03,500
My opponent played an illegal move.
553
00:41:06,625 --> 00:41:11,125
The touch-move rule
is very important in chess.
554
00:41:11,750 --> 00:41:15,375
If you let go of a piece,
then that's the move.
555
00:41:18,500 --> 00:41:23,082
If you make another move,
that's a clear breach of fair play.
556
00:41:23,083 --> 00:41:24,583
It's cheating.
557
00:41:27,083 --> 00:41:29,875
But the only one who sees it is Judit.
558
00:41:31,833 --> 00:41:35,916
I was like, you know, looking around
that, "Come on, what's going on?"
559
00:41:38,375 --> 00:41:43,957
{\an8}Nobody said anything,
and I was not sure how to handle this.
560
00:41:43,958 --> 00:41:46,875
So I thought if nobody says anything,
561
00:41:47,375 --> 00:41:52,165
then well, maybe…
maybe I shouldn't say anything.
562
00:41:52,166 --> 00:41:55,500
Maybe it's only from my angle
that I see it.
563
00:41:56,125 --> 00:42:02,041
And, you know, a 17-year-old newcomer
against the world champion…
564
00:42:02,791 --> 00:42:06,040
Maybe in the future,
I will not get invitations if I do this.
565
00:42:06,041 --> 00:42:07,707
And how can I prove it?
566
00:42:07,708 --> 00:42:10,041
My saying against his saying.
567
00:42:11,791 --> 00:42:14,707
If she accuses him of doing this
568
00:42:14,708 --> 00:42:17,458
and Kasparov denies it,
569
00:42:18,250 --> 00:42:21,041
then it's this spoiled young brat
570
00:42:21,916 --> 00:42:25,999
who's losing the game
and cannot bear the idea
571
00:42:26,000 --> 00:42:29,500
and then she starts accusing him
of something terrible.
572
00:42:32,666 --> 00:42:35,790
The TV crews of the Spanish television
573
00:42:35,791 --> 00:42:37,750
happened to be there filming,
574
00:42:38,541 --> 00:42:41,583
but there was no cameraman
behind the camera.
575
00:42:42,791 --> 00:42:46,041
So it's not on film.
576
00:42:47,291 --> 00:42:49,083
She continued the game.
577
00:42:49,583 --> 00:42:55,083
And the rule is, once the game continued,
it's too late to complain and protest.
578
00:42:59,125 --> 00:43:01,333
After that, he played good moves.
579
00:43:02,500 --> 00:43:06,166
His winning position
was converted into victory…
580
00:43:08,458 --> 00:43:11,666
and, uh, it was over.
581
00:43:17,375 --> 00:43:19,666
I was very upset.
582
00:43:24,166 --> 00:43:28,249
After the game,
I went to the restaurant to eat.
583
00:43:28,250 --> 00:43:31,000
This was something
that we did during the tournament.
584
00:43:32,083 --> 00:43:35,625
Suddenly, the arbiter came to that table
585
00:43:36,125 --> 00:43:40,582
and he asked me,
"Is there anything I can help?"
586
00:43:40,583 --> 00:43:43,124
And I said,
"Well, if you're asking already,
587
00:43:43,125 --> 00:43:45,207
I would be very much interested
588
00:43:45,208 --> 00:43:49,208
whether the camera which was
standing there 15 meters away,
589
00:43:49,875 --> 00:43:52,041
if they recorded anything."
590
00:43:54,791 --> 00:43:57,708
Suddenly, the story starts growing,
591
00:43:59,416 --> 00:44:02,457
and Garry Kasparov
understands what's going on,
592
00:44:02,458 --> 00:44:05,290
and he's… he's getting
very upset about this.
593
00:44:05,291 --> 00:44:09,332
He's going around, he's telling people,
"Something should be done about this."
594
00:44:09,333 --> 00:44:12,833
He says, "You have to write about this,"
that "It's a disgrace."
595
00:44:13,541 --> 00:44:18,166
No one doubted Kasparov.
He's an extremely respected chess player.
596
00:44:19,250 --> 00:44:23,041
But still I asked him, "What do you think?
Did you let go of the piece?"
597
00:44:23,750 --> 00:44:29,125
And he says, "I don't know, I don't know.
I don't think so, but I don't know."
598
00:44:30,250 --> 00:44:33,791
The organizer of the event
gave out a press release…
599
00:44:35,875 --> 00:44:41,125
which says Kasparov
is the most honest player.
600
00:44:42,916 --> 00:44:44,957
And then at some point, there's news
601
00:44:44,958 --> 00:44:48,083
the film crew
is on their way back to Linares.
602
00:44:51,166 --> 00:44:55,290
What happened was
after the camera crew returned to Madrid,
603
00:44:55,291 --> 00:45:00,250
they realized that they accidentally
forgot to turn off the camera…
604
00:45:02,458 --> 00:45:04,458
and the film was rolling.
605
00:45:07,333 --> 00:45:09,958
So his television crew
showed their footage.
606
00:45:29,916 --> 00:45:33,250
And it's clear he has let go of the piece
607
00:45:34,208 --> 00:45:38,625
and then touches it again
and withdraws it.
608
00:45:40,333 --> 00:45:43,875
I remember the shock.
The shock of the image on the video.
609
00:45:44,916 --> 00:45:47,875
Judit couldn't believe
it's happening either.
610
00:45:49,791 --> 00:45:53,916
I was happy that the video
proved what I felt.
611
00:45:54,458 --> 00:45:58,290
At the same time,
it was not real consolation for me,
612
00:45:58,291 --> 00:46:02,207
because once you sign
the scoresheet after the game,
613
00:46:02,208 --> 00:46:04,041
you cannot change anything.
614
00:46:06,708 --> 00:46:10,499
{\an8}Nobody expects the world champion
to break the rule like this
615
00:46:10,500 --> 00:46:13,665
{\an8}because he thinks that it's…
it's much more embarrassing
616
00:46:13,666 --> 00:46:15,374
{\an8}to lose against a girl.
617
00:46:15,375 --> 00:46:19,582
{\an8}And the problem was,
I trusted my opponent.
618
00:46:19,583 --> 00:46:20,916
{\an8}And I shouldn't.
619
00:46:21,708 --> 00:46:26,708
Yeah, there was a… Yes, there was
a little controversy there, so I just, I…
620
00:46:27,291 --> 00:46:31,249
I believe that I didn't feel
that my hand actually left the piece.
621
00:46:31,250 --> 00:46:34,249
I wouldn't have done that.
It's about one-point… It's…
622
00:46:34,250 --> 00:46:39,541
If you look at the video,
it's about one-tenth of a second.
623
00:46:42,458 --> 00:46:44,958
I didn't feel that I made something wrong.
624
00:46:45,958 --> 00:46:48,832
Unless you do it in
a very, very slow motion, you cannot feel.
625
00:46:48,833 --> 00:46:52,000
So try to see it as one-tenth of a second
whether you feel it or not.
626
00:46:56,208 --> 00:47:00,665
It was actually not losing the game,
the game would end as a draw, but still,
627
00:47:00,666 --> 00:47:03,083
it would be very unpleasant to miss a win.
628
00:47:07,041 --> 00:47:09,415
This moment basically ruined my tournament
629
00:47:09,416 --> 00:47:13,833
because I was under pressure for the rest
of the tournament by people to remind me.
630
00:47:15,958 --> 00:47:18,957
The scandal started, and it took off.
631
00:47:18,958 --> 00:47:20,957
The champions are cheating.
632
00:47:20,958 --> 00:47:22,832
At least you can't tell otherwise
633
00:47:22,833 --> 00:47:25,666
from the images
we are about to see in a moment.
634
00:47:27,000 --> 00:47:30,916
You can see how the champion
did something that is totally forbidden.
635
00:47:33,083 --> 00:47:36,333
It became a pretty big drama.
636
00:47:37,791 --> 00:47:41,583
It's one of the most famous incidents
in chess, that's for sure.
637
00:47:45,708 --> 00:47:47,791
Judit was, of course, very upset.
638
00:47:48,500 --> 00:47:51,374
But what she does is…
639
00:47:51,375 --> 00:47:55,083
is quite admirable for a girl of her age,
especially in her position.
640
00:48:02,791 --> 00:48:07,375
On the final day, she walks up to Kasparov
in the lobby of the hotel,
641
00:48:08,041 --> 00:48:11,333
and she says,
"How could you do this to me?"
642
00:48:14,833 --> 00:48:18,290
If you've never seen
Garry Kasparov in person,
643
00:48:18,291 --> 00:48:22,499
you may not fully appreciate
how brave that is,
644
00:48:22,500 --> 00:48:24,541
because he's a… he's a force.
645
00:48:27,833 --> 00:48:30,166
I wanted an explanation by Garry.
646
00:48:31,958 --> 00:48:33,457
And then he got insulted
647
00:48:33,458 --> 00:48:37,000
that I was kind of humiliating him
in front of other people.
648
00:48:42,500 --> 00:48:44,665
{\an8}I asked him in an interview about this,
649
00:48:44,666 --> 00:48:47,166
and he says,
"Well, she should learn some manners."
650
00:48:49,958 --> 00:48:52,541
He was so upset,
that they didn't speak for three years.
651
00:49:06,000 --> 00:49:09,499
After the game,
there were talks and questions
652
00:49:09,500 --> 00:49:12,583
from journalists and family.
653
00:49:14,083 --> 00:49:18,666
It was, uh, more of a headache
to talk about it.
654
00:49:20,958 --> 00:49:22,916
Even though he blundered,
655
00:49:23,958 --> 00:49:26,291
I was outplayed, I understood.
656
00:49:27,541 --> 00:49:30,083
It was a very bad feeling.
657
00:49:34,041 --> 00:49:36,874
I never scolded them
658
00:49:36,875 --> 00:49:41,374
for not winning a game.
659
00:49:41,375 --> 00:49:43,708
Still, losing is a very bad thing.
660
00:49:46,166 --> 00:49:51,124
My father was never hiding it
that he wanted success
661
00:49:51,125 --> 00:49:53,832
to prove his experiment,
662
00:49:53,833 --> 00:49:57,916
to show that he can do
something big with his children.
663
00:50:00,500 --> 00:50:04,707
After this, he said that
we should be competing again
664
00:50:04,708 --> 00:50:06,916
in the Women's Chess Olympiad.
665
00:50:08,583 --> 00:50:13,333
I thought that it's pretty obvious that
we were the best in women's competitions.
666
00:50:16,041 --> 00:50:18,625
I wanted to prove myself with men.
667
00:50:21,666 --> 00:50:26,250
And from then on, I started to make
some, uh, decisions on my own.
668
00:50:28,250 --> 00:50:32,541
Sometimes it is so important for you
that parents say whatever they say,
669
00:50:33,291 --> 00:50:34,958
you go on your own way.
670
00:50:45,541 --> 00:50:50,082
That same year,
I saw Judit play at the Madrid tournament,
671
00:50:50,083 --> 00:50:52,000
and she played absolutely brilliant chess.
672
00:50:52,833 --> 00:50:55,958
Can I have a taste of your ice cream…
673
00:50:56,458 --> 00:50:58,875
She beat very strong players,
674
00:51:00,250 --> 00:51:02,790
and what I will never forget
675
00:51:02,791 --> 00:51:07,040
is the way the male players
reacted to her victory.
676
00:51:07,041 --> 00:51:09,666
No, mind your own business
677
00:51:10,458 --> 00:51:13,874
No, mind your own business
678
00:51:13,875 --> 00:51:18,290
There were four games
where the opponent didn't resign,
679
00:51:18,291 --> 00:51:19,583
didn't shake hands.
680
00:51:21,000 --> 00:51:23,916
Can I have a taste of your ice cream?
681
00:51:24,416 --> 00:51:27,583
Can I lick the crumbs from your table…
682
00:51:28,375 --> 00:51:32,165
I mean, all those things
are sacrosanct in chess.
683
00:51:32,166 --> 00:51:35,415
That's what you do,
and they just stormed off.
684
00:51:35,416 --> 00:51:40,000
- Why don't you mind your own business?
- Business, business, business
685
00:51:41,250 --> 00:51:42,833
It was embarrassing.
686
00:51:49,666 --> 00:51:54,375
How do male chess players
respond when you defeat them?
687
00:52:00,166 --> 00:52:05,374
I was fighting a lot
to gain respect from the elite,
688
00:52:05,375 --> 00:52:07,041
and world champions.
689
00:52:07,583 --> 00:52:11,999
Some of them were very skeptical
that I belong there.
690
00:52:12,000 --> 00:52:15,749
What will it take for her
to become an absolute world top player?
691
00:52:15,750 --> 00:52:17,958
I think it will be very difficult.
692
00:52:19,083 --> 00:52:21,083
She must be lucky all the time.
693
00:52:22,833 --> 00:52:26,499
One of the great grandmasters,
Viktor Korchnoi,
694
00:52:26,500 --> 00:52:28,791
said that I'm a coffeehouse player.
695
00:52:30,916 --> 00:52:32,666
He didn't take me seriously.
696
00:52:39,875 --> 00:52:44,874
I had to prove it like ten times more
than if I would have been born as a boy.
697
00:52:44,875 --> 00:52:48,165
Have we ever had a world champion
who was a woman?
698
00:52:48,166 --> 00:52:49,790
- Women's world champions.
- Why not?
699
00:52:49,791 --> 00:52:52,790
We'd think that this would be
a perfect sport for women to dominate.
700
00:52:52,791 --> 00:52:55,207
Uh, we have facts that say the contrary.
701
00:52:55,208 --> 00:52:57,290
But Judit Polgár from Hungary.
702
00:52:57,291 --> 00:52:58,582
Judit is an exception,
703
00:52:58,583 --> 00:53:03,208
but even she has some problems of catching
this fighting spirit for the whole match.
704
00:53:07,750 --> 00:53:12,000
In 1996, there was an invitational event
in Dos Hermanas.
705
00:53:15,208 --> 00:53:20,415
Before the games, I was with my mother.
We were pressing the elevator.
706
00:53:20,416 --> 00:53:23,207
The elevator stops, the doors open,
707
00:53:23,208 --> 00:53:25,416
and suddenly,
Kasparov is there with his coach.
708
00:53:30,125 --> 00:53:34,332
It was a funny scene, as we had
a little tension between each other
709
00:53:34,333 --> 00:53:36,875
for years after the incident.
710
00:53:40,291 --> 00:53:43,000
And my mom says,
"Okay, go into the elevator."
711
00:53:51,458 --> 00:53:55,708
I went to the game thinking
I have to give him a great fight.
712
00:54:01,875 --> 00:54:03,958
{\an8}I was playing with the white pieces again.
713
00:54:05,041 --> 00:54:07,083
I have an advantage already.
714
00:54:08,208 --> 00:54:09,750
First move, 1. e4.
715
00:54:13,000 --> 00:54:15,624
And it's another Sicilian.
716
00:54:15,625 --> 00:54:20,291
But from there,
this game was absolutely wild.
717
00:54:22,750 --> 00:54:25,416
Judit starts to attack right away.
She attacks the queen first.
718
00:54:28,083 --> 00:54:30,916
Then she checks the king.
The king had to move.
719
00:54:32,583 --> 00:54:35,916
Then the bishop
lands on the board to attack.
720
00:54:36,708 --> 00:54:39,124
I knew that she would play
very aggressive chess,
721
00:54:39,125 --> 00:54:40,665
but I was very surprised.
722
00:54:40,666 --> 00:54:44,207
Judit had more,
it was like an energy ball,
723
00:54:44,208 --> 00:54:47,458
you know, like a thunderbolt
that could actually explode.
724
00:54:48,541 --> 00:54:52,082
{\an8}Judit really went for it in the opening.
She played in an aggressive way.
725
00:54:52,083 --> 00:54:53,666
She took space.
726
00:54:55,541 --> 00:54:57,666
Then she'd entered the middle game.
727
00:54:59,583 --> 00:55:02,915
{\an8}The middle game is the deep ideas stage
728
00:55:02,916 --> 00:55:05,457
{\an8}where you're constantly trying
to outwit your opponent.
729
00:55:05,458 --> 00:55:08,583
This is the stage where the drama,
the action happens.
730
00:55:09,541 --> 00:55:12,458
{\an8}Kasparov decides to up the ante,
731
00:55:13,375 --> 00:55:17,082
and he just boldly puts his rook
right in the middle of the board,
732
00:55:17,083 --> 00:55:20,290
attacking her queen
and her bishop at the same time.
733
00:55:20,291 --> 00:55:21,750
This is a dogfight.
734
00:55:22,916 --> 00:55:27,916
She was a little bit shaky at this point,
and Garry just kept wearing her down.
735
00:55:28,541 --> 00:55:32,041
Part of the intensity
is based on how long it was taking.
736
00:55:34,208 --> 00:55:37,083
It was a little bit cat and mouse.
737
00:55:38,250 --> 00:55:42,832
He created the winning position,
then somehow I sneaked away,
738
00:55:42,833 --> 00:55:45,541
and then again,
he got the winning position.
739
00:55:49,333 --> 00:55:51,791
I started to play inaccuracies.
740
00:55:52,541 --> 00:55:56,458
Garry played very well
and took over the game.
741
00:55:58,291 --> 00:56:01,165
I was calculating,
like, eight or ten moves
742
00:56:01,166 --> 00:56:03,125
to figure out how I can save it.
743
00:56:04,708 --> 00:56:08,374
But it's Kasparov's move,
and he just boldly puts his rook
744
00:56:08,375 --> 00:56:10,915
right on the same line as her king.
745
00:56:10,916 --> 00:56:13,249
It looks like
she might be losing material here.
746
00:56:13,250 --> 00:56:14,833
Maybe she has to resign.
747
00:56:16,458 --> 00:56:19,415
One of the typical weaknesses
for many female players
748
00:56:19,416 --> 00:56:21,749
is that they are panicking
if there's a threat.
749
00:56:21,750 --> 00:56:24,458
You see the threat,
and there's a panic, defensive reaction.
750
00:56:26,125 --> 00:56:28,958
Right now, you have to decide what to do.
751
00:56:32,000 --> 00:56:33,291
And the time is ticking.
752
00:56:37,208 --> 00:56:40,165
Judit ignored the threat.
753
00:56:40,166 --> 00:56:43,499
She counters. She takes a pawn.
754
00:56:43,500 --> 00:56:45,916
She is now ahead by a full pawn.
755
00:56:47,375 --> 00:56:51,625
My aggression is met not by panic,
but just extra aggression on her side.
756
00:56:53,416 --> 00:56:55,540
{\an8}She played with such great defense.
757
00:56:55,541 --> 00:56:59,000
{\an8}She's just making it very difficult
for him to win the game.
758
00:56:59,958 --> 00:57:02,166
This is a game that goes on for hours.
759
00:57:03,291 --> 00:57:06,000
And then I found a very unexpected idea.
760
00:57:07,541 --> 00:57:12,833
She gives a check to the black king,
and then she sacrifices a rook.
761
00:57:14,791 --> 00:57:17,124
This was like thunder in a blue sky.
762
00:57:17,125 --> 00:57:20,041
Completely unexpected for Garry.
763
00:57:21,333 --> 00:57:26,458
And suddenly, his position
isn't so easily winning anymore.
764
00:57:33,208 --> 00:57:38,416
Judit just relies on those tricks
to keep alive in the game.
765
00:57:39,250 --> 00:57:44,083
And then, after six hours of play,
they reach an endgame.
766
00:57:46,916 --> 00:57:49,665
In the endgame, we don't have queens.
767
00:57:49,666 --> 00:57:52,957
We don't have attacking pieces so much.
768
00:57:52,958 --> 00:57:54,875
It's the final part of the game.
769
00:57:56,458 --> 00:58:01,416
She ended up in an endgame
what we say is theoretically drawn.
770
00:58:02,083 --> 00:58:05,582
Kasparov has a knight and a rook.
771
00:58:05,583 --> 00:58:07,957
She only has a rook. And that's a draw.
772
00:58:07,958 --> 00:58:09,374
It is dead drawn.
773
00:58:09,375 --> 00:58:12,540
It is so drawn that you can draw it
with your eyes closed.
774
00:58:12,541 --> 00:58:14,290
But she had to be a bit accurate,
775
00:58:14,291 --> 00:58:18,540
and I have to say that endgame
was never her strongest suit.
776
00:58:18,541 --> 00:58:22,250
Kasparov wanted to play a few more moves,
just checking my knowledge.
777
00:58:25,708 --> 00:58:30,916
{\an8}He did not play all the moves 100%
accurately, but he never let it go.
778
00:58:33,541 --> 00:58:38,625
I realized that he knew much more than me
in this theoretical endgame.
779
00:58:42,458 --> 00:58:45,041
After a few more moves,
780
00:58:45,916 --> 00:58:48,375
Judit finally cracks.
781
00:58:56,250 --> 00:58:58,583
And my king could not escape.
782
00:59:04,875 --> 00:59:07,916
The tragedy here
was that she put up a good fight
783
00:59:08,833 --> 00:59:12,624
and she reaches this ending
which should have been safe,
784
00:59:12,625 --> 00:59:13,708
and she misplayed it.
785
00:59:15,166 --> 00:59:20,374
Imagine that you survive
a Mike Tyson barrage
786
00:59:20,375 --> 00:59:23,250
for eight rounds, ten rounds.
787
00:59:25,125 --> 00:59:29,332
Chess is a game that goes on for hours,
and after many hours,
788
00:59:29,333 --> 00:59:31,957
you just collapse under the pressure.
789
00:59:31,958 --> 00:59:34,208
And that's what strong players do to you.
790
00:59:36,291 --> 00:59:41,874
This endgame was an exam
which, in fact, wasn't that difficult,
791
00:59:41,875 --> 00:59:44,583
and she failed it under pressure.
792
00:59:47,333 --> 00:59:49,291
It was a bad loss.
793
00:59:50,708 --> 00:59:52,750
I made a very serious strategic mistake.
794
00:59:54,041 --> 00:59:56,833
So I didn't feel good,
especially after the game.
795
01:00:01,375 --> 01:00:04,333
After my game with Kasparov in '96,
796
01:00:04,916 --> 01:00:07,083
we played several games
against each other.
797
01:00:16,041 --> 01:00:19,249
I liked playing her because
she was a player with a style that…
798
01:00:19,250 --> 01:00:20,750
that made me feel comfortable.
799
01:00:22,708 --> 01:00:26,790
Riding on any wave
That is the luck you crave…
800
01:00:26,791 --> 01:00:30,875
{\an8}Judit was over-aggressive.
It's a very powerful attacking style.
801
01:00:31,583 --> 01:00:34,707
{\an8}I was also an attacking player,
but more experienced.
802
01:00:34,708 --> 01:00:38,458
{\an8}So that's why her attacks, her aggression,
actually worked against her.
803
01:00:41,750 --> 01:00:46,040
You have to understand that
Garry Kasparov is widely considered to be
804
01:00:46,041 --> 01:00:49,124
the greatest chess player
in all of history.
805
01:00:49,125 --> 01:00:52,415
So Judit was not just playing
the current world champion,
806
01:00:52,416 --> 01:00:54,207
she was going blow for blow
807
01:00:54,208 --> 01:00:56,541
with the greatest chess player
of all time.
808
01:00:59,666 --> 01:01:04,457
I felt that when I played
with Kasparov that just by sitting there,
809
01:01:04,458 --> 01:01:06,916
before making any move,
810
01:01:07,916 --> 01:01:09,749
he was superior.
811
01:01:09,750 --> 01:01:13,332
I even felt it's a formality…
812
01:01:13,333 --> 01:01:16,874
…but we still have to play the game,
but eventually he wins.
813
01:01:16,875 --> 01:01:19,749
Forget it, I don't understand…
814
01:01:19,750 --> 01:01:22,124
{\an8}I was at my peak of my performance, so,
815
01:01:22,125 --> 01:01:25,832
{\an8}she was one of the players
that because of her playing style,
816
01:01:25,833 --> 01:01:30,790
and some kind of maybe
psychological, um, discomfort facing me,
817
01:01:30,791 --> 01:01:34,958
uh, didn't do well,
but she was one of… many.
818
01:01:39,625 --> 01:01:42,499
The way she played chess
was not compatible
819
01:01:42,500 --> 01:01:47,290
with the best way to handle
Garry Kasparov in my… my… my best years.
820
01:01:47,291 --> 01:01:49,208
You have difficulties playing Kasparov?
821
01:01:49,791 --> 01:01:52,750
Yeah, I don't have too good scoring.
822
01:01:53,250 --> 01:01:58,249
Would it mean that you have too much
respect for him to play at full strength?
823
01:01:58,250 --> 01:02:01,458
I don't know, maybe unconsciously I do.
824
01:02:08,750 --> 01:02:12,749
Not winning, it's not all the time
that you feel the same.
825
01:02:12,750 --> 01:02:16,707
Sometimes when you lose
and your opponent played extremely well
826
01:02:16,708 --> 01:02:21,790
and made great solutions, fantastic play,
827
01:02:21,791 --> 01:02:23,291
you don't feel so bad.
828
01:02:24,416 --> 01:02:27,832
Against Kasparov, the frustration came
829
01:02:27,833 --> 01:02:30,500
from the fact
that I couldn't give a good fight.
830
01:02:31,958 --> 01:02:36,333
Somehow to me,
he seemed unbeatable, superhuman.
831
01:02:38,625 --> 01:02:44,250
I have to give him a great fight,
but how is it possible?
832
01:02:46,291 --> 01:02:52,457
In chess, you can see that many players,
they are so absorbed by the game,
833
01:02:52,458 --> 01:02:54,082
so obsessed with it,
834
01:02:54,083 --> 01:02:59,000
that it takes on an importance
that is way beyond the game.
835
01:03:00,125 --> 01:03:02,166
It's of life importance.
836
01:03:06,541 --> 01:03:11,624
I think my father wanted success
so much to prove that he's right,
837
01:03:11,625 --> 01:03:17,583
that his beliefs are…
"Surely it's going to be a success."
838
01:03:20,583 --> 01:03:23,124
He was saying that the next two years
839
01:03:23,125 --> 01:03:26,541
is going to be
the breakthrough of everything.
840
01:03:28,000 --> 01:03:30,874
And he always wanted me to go further,
841
01:03:30,875 --> 01:03:34,875
focus on getting into the top ten,
and to invest more energy.
842
01:03:37,833 --> 01:03:41,665
For many years,
with this project that he started,
843
01:03:41,666 --> 01:03:44,458
people, they wondered
whether he was a good guy.
844
01:03:47,208 --> 01:03:49,582
A lot of people felt like he was doing it
845
01:03:49,583 --> 01:03:54,500
because of his own personal pride
and not for the good of his children.
846
01:03:57,333 --> 01:03:59,749
For many people, there was a question,
847
01:03:59,750 --> 01:04:02,040
"What is going on with the kids?"
848
01:04:02,041 --> 01:04:04,875
"Is it something that the parents
are ruining their life?"
849
01:04:07,916 --> 01:04:12,874
I understood my lifestyle
is different from my peers
850
01:04:12,875 --> 01:04:15,208
because I spent
so much time studying chess.
851
01:04:17,041 --> 01:04:20,374
Of course, I felt that
it would be sometimes easier
852
01:04:20,375 --> 01:04:24,541
just to watch movies
or spending more time with friends.
853
01:04:26,416 --> 01:04:32,208
For many years, focusing on preparing,
on competing, it took my whole life up.
854
01:04:33,833 --> 01:04:35,707
It didn't feel like enough.
855
01:04:35,708 --> 01:04:38,957
After all,
it's 64 squares of a chessboard.
856
01:04:38,958 --> 01:04:41,833
There's much more to life than that.
857
01:04:45,083 --> 01:04:50,582
I was happy,
but at some point after I was 20,
858
01:04:50,583 --> 01:04:54,665
he still wouldn't mind
if my life would be only about chess.
859
01:04:54,666 --> 01:05:00,957
But I wanted to have a little bit more,
expand a little bit my life, uh,
860
01:05:00,958 --> 01:05:02,750
not only on the chessboard.
861
01:05:15,083 --> 01:05:20,208
It is mostly
small coincidences that make reality.
862
01:05:24,208 --> 01:05:27,083
{\an8}I was working as a veterinarian,
after university,
863
01:05:28,416 --> 01:05:32,958
and a red-haired girl came in
who looked exactly like Judit Polgár.
864
01:05:35,666 --> 01:05:39,291
One day, when I was almost 23 years old,
865
01:05:40,041 --> 01:05:42,583
I took the family dog to the vet.
866
01:05:43,625 --> 01:05:48,290
The doctor was, uh,
very friendly, very smiley
867
01:05:48,291 --> 01:05:51,415
and, uh… talkative.
868
01:05:51,416 --> 01:05:54,999
Somehow, the examination
took quite a long time.
869
01:05:55,000 --> 01:05:56,707
Right at this moment,
870
01:05:56,708 --> 01:05:58,915
I deviated from protocol,
and I suggested to her,
871
01:05:58,916 --> 01:06:02,375
"Listen, why don't we go play tennis?"
872
01:06:08,583 --> 01:06:14,375
What makes a man fall for a woman?
873
01:06:15,250 --> 01:06:18,750
For thousands of years, there has been
no easy answer to this question.
874
01:06:21,041 --> 01:06:25,165
With her smiling eyes and red hair,
875
01:06:25,166 --> 01:06:28,750
she had a fire about her, an energy, and
876
01:06:29,583 --> 01:06:33,333
from the very first moment,
she said what she meant.
877
01:06:35,958 --> 01:06:40,750
I found that to be a very sexy thing.
878
01:06:44,125 --> 01:06:48,332
We started to date, pretty frequently,
879
01:06:48,333 --> 01:06:51,832
and then I was going to an event,
880
01:06:51,833 --> 01:06:56,458
and I won the tournament,
uh, being in love very much.
881
01:06:57,041 --> 01:06:59,916
And, uh, after that, we moved together.
882
01:07:39,791 --> 01:07:42,791
When Judit got married,
883
01:07:43,541 --> 01:07:50,291
my role as a manager basically stopped.
884
01:08:00,958 --> 01:08:02,957
Well, for my father,
885
01:08:02,958 --> 01:08:05,958
I felt that a little bit,
he was sorry for that.
886
01:08:07,708 --> 01:08:09,707
I have to be honest,
887
01:08:09,708 --> 01:08:12,375
I'm reluctant
to give an opinion on this matter.
888
01:08:15,291 --> 01:08:20,749
I had very little influence
on my daughters once they were grown up.
889
01:08:20,750 --> 01:08:25,958
Because their husbands basically took them
in a different direction.
890
01:08:28,958 --> 01:08:32,416
And so when my role as manager ended,
891
01:08:34,458 --> 01:08:37,958
I was a little hurt.
I found it a bit strange.
892
01:08:40,583 --> 01:08:43,707
But I said that it was up to Judit
893
01:08:43,708 --> 01:08:46,458
to decide how she wanted
to continue her life.
894
01:09:09,000 --> 01:09:10,707
My sweetheart wanted strawberries
895
01:09:10,708 --> 01:09:11,957
and ordered this for herself.
896
01:09:11,958 --> 01:09:14,582
Yes, and I'll eat yours too.
897
01:09:14,583 --> 01:09:16,165
When we got married,
898
01:09:16,166 --> 01:09:20,915
I was nearly getting
to the 2700 magical rating points,
899
01:09:20,916 --> 01:09:24,707
which was considered,
at the time, getting into the top ten.
900
01:09:24,708 --> 01:09:27,666
But somehow I could never go
and cross that.
901
01:09:29,708 --> 01:09:34,290
There were several events
where I played well, I won some points,
902
01:09:34,291 --> 01:09:36,666
and then I played one tournament
where I lost it all.
903
01:09:39,041 --> 01:09:44,250
And with Gusztáv, I learned
that I can make a different strategy.
904
01:09:47,000 --> 01:09:50,582
{\an8}When I became a part of her life,
905
01:09:50,583 --> 01:09:52,166
{\an8}I told her a big secret.
906
01:09:53,500 --> 01:09:56,958
In chess, there is winning,
there is losing,
907
01:09:57,541 --> 01:09:59,707
and there is a third outcome,
908
01:09:59,708 --> 01:10:00,999
a draw.
909
01:10:01,000 --> 01:10:04,000
He was on the side
that a draw is better than a loss.
910
01:10:04,708 --> 01:10:06,665
If you lose against an opponent
911
01:10:06,666 --> 01:10:09,999
with the same rating,
you lose rating points.
912
01:10:10,000 --> 01:10:12,416
If you draw, you don't lose them.
913
01:10:12,916 --> 01:10:16,624
There were games where previously
I would make a different decision.
914
01:10:16,625 --> 01:10:18,958
I would be fighting, and I want to win.
915
01:10:19,708 --> 01:10:21,415
And at that point already I said,
916
01:10:21,416 --> 01:10:24,999
"Okay, if I don't have ideas
that I think can work,
917
01:10:25,000 --> 01:10:28,208
the draw is also an accepted result."
918
01:10:33,500 --> 01:10:35,165
So she stayed
919
01:10:35,166 --> 01:10:37,666
one of the best offensive players
in the world,
920
01:10:38,250 --> 01:10:41,250
but she started to lose less,
921
01:10:42,416 --> 01:10:45,208
and her rating started to rise.
922
01:10:51,250 --> 01:10:55,165
After this change in approach,
in 2001 Linares,
923
01:10:55,166 --> 01:10:59,208
there is, of course,
a big rematch between Judit and Kasparov.
924
01:11:03,125 --> 01:11:06,707
This is the tournament
where the touch-move controversy happened
925
01:11:06,708 --> 01:11:09,416
and years later, now here they are again.
926
01:11:12,416 --> 01:11:16,499
{\an8}At that time, my playing style,
some say it was a little bit primitive,
927
01:11:16,500 --> 01:11:18,124
but it worked.
928
01:11:18,125 --> 01:11:20,415
But I was still
the number one rated player,
929
01:11:20,416 --> 01:11:22,124
and I was still doing well.
930
01:11:22,125 --> 01:11:24,375
Especially in 2001, I did really well.
931
01:11:27,125 --> 01:11:32,666
I have to reiterate that the expectations
for Judit were not low, but not very high.
932
01:11:35,750 --> 01:11:38,666
I had a very clear strategy in this game.
933
01:11:39,375 --> 01:11:44,666
A strategy where
he's going to be nervous, worried.
934
01:11:46,083 --> 01:11:49,041
Even it crosses his mind
that he can lose the game.
935
01:11:56,541 --> 01:11:57,750
The game starts,
936
01:11:58,583 --> 01:12:01,833
Judit with the white pieces
and Garry with the black pieces.
937
01:12:05,083 --> 01:12:08,082
I knew one thing,
that Kasparov did not like at all
938
01:12:08,083 --> 01:12:10,124
when his king is attacked.
939
01:12:10,125 --> 01:12:14,750
I said, "No matter what it takes,
I'm going to be attacking his king."
940
01:12:21,208 --> 01:12:24,374
Judit has chose to castle
on the left side of the board
941
01:12:24,375 --> 01:12:28,749
while Garry Kasparov castles
on the opposite side of the board.
942
01:12:28,750 --> 01:12:31,040
{\an8}The nature of positions like this in chess
943
01:12:31,041 --> 01:12:35,333
{\an8}means that both of them are going to be
launching aggressive attacks.
944
01:12:36,666 --> 01:12:40,500
This is a race between
who gets to the king first.
945
01:12:45,333 --> 01:12:50,041
Already at the early stage of the game,
I sacrificed a pawn.
946
01:12:52,208 --> 01:12:55,082
Kasparov accepts the pawn sacrifice,
947
01:12:55,083 --> 01:12:59,457
but it means that Judit's bishop
is now a very powerful piece.
948
01:12:59,458 --> 01:13:04,000
So she's down on material,
but she's the one who has the initiative.
949
01:13:05,083 --> 01:13:08,750
Kasparov was kind of surprised,
but he understood the point.
950
01:13:09,875 --> 01:13:13,249
Kasparov breaks open
in the middle of the board with a pawn.
951
01:13:13,250 --> 01:13:15,291
He was attacking my bishop,
952
01:13:16,000 --> 01:13:18,875
and it would be very natural
to move it away.
953
01:13:20,208 --> 01:13:24,583
But she decides
to sacrifice a whole bishop.
954
01:13:26,375 --> 01:13:28,332
There is a big material loss,
955
01:13:28,333 --> 01:13:30,874
but still I said,
"I'm going to be attacking his king."
956
01:13:30,875 --> 01:13:32,500
"I'm going to keep attacking his king."
957
01:13:36,500 --> 01:13:39,666
At this point, I was looking around.
958
01:13:40,416 --> 01:13:45,416
The tournament hall was fully packed
because the game was so exciting.
959
01:13:50,791 --> 01:13:54,541
I think Kasparov had the feeling
that probably he has an advantage.
960
01:13:56,416 --> 01:14:00,166
The game was very intense,
but I felt comfortable.
961
01:14:01,833 --> 01:14:03,791
Kasparov used a lot of his time.
962
01:14:06,333 --> 01:14:10,291
After these few minutes,
he played the most logical move.
963
01:14:11,791 --> 01:14:16,250
And suddenly, without thinking more
than three seconds, I pushed my pawn.
964
01:14:18,625 --> 01:14:21,041
Psychologically, it was such a shock.
965
01:14:22,333 --> 01:14:26,583
She's sacrificing everything
for the sake of the attack.
966
01:14:27,708 --> 01:14:31,999
And after that, he had to realize
that things are not so simple.
967
01:14:32,000 --> 01:14:34,958
I thought I was winning,
but she just launched a massive attack.
968
01:14:36,333 --> 01:14:40,624
And then he took off his jacket,
he went around, put it on the chair.
969
01:14:40,625 --> 01:14:43,541
Then he took off his watch,
he put it on the side.
970
01:14:44,708 --> 01:14:47,875
It was so nice to see
Garry getting worried.
971
01:14:49,916 --> 01:14:53,249
I won so many games
against Judit, but in this tournament,
972
01:14:53,250 --> 01:14:54,833
I just had to survive.
973
01:14:56,208 --> 01:14:58,790
Garry had to pull a rabbit out of a hat
974
01:14:58,791 --> 01:15:01,625
in order to save himself in this game.
975
01:15:04,916 --> 01:15:09,708
Kasparov sacrifices material back
in order to get to Judit's king.
976
01:15:13,625 --> 01:15:16,249
His king is so wide open,
977
01:15:16,250 --> 01:15:21,750
all he can do is to keep
giving checks to the white king.
978
01:15:30,000 --> 01:15:33,290
And here, Garry decides it's enough.
979
01:15:33,291 --> 01:15:35,999
And this amazing, crazy,
980
01:15:36,000 --> 01:15:39,457
wild attacking game
ends in perpetual check.
981
01:15:39,458 --> 01:15:41,541
Judit forces a draw.
982
01:15:49,916 --> 01:15:51,249
In Linares,
983
01:15:51,250 --> 01:15:55,416
Judit was the only one
not to lose against Kasparov.
984
01:15:57,416 --> 01:16:00,957
She was the only one in the field
held her own against
985
01:16:00,958 --> 01:16:02,791
the number one in the world.
986
01:16:04,458 --> 01:16:06,415
At the end of the tournament,
987
01:16:06,416 --> 01:16:11,124
we were talking, and it was clear
that he had respected my play,
988
01:16:11,125 --> 01:16:14,750
even though he is… he was
the greatest at the time, for sure.
989
01:16:17,708 --> 01:16:20,832
Now, clearly, she was one of us.
990
01:16:20,833 --> 01:16:22,791
She was a top player.
991
01:16:25,416 --> 01:16:29,250
It was a fantastic feeling
to play that game in Linares.
992
01:16:29,833 --> 01:16:33,540
It was an incredible fight.
I gave him a hard time.
993
01:16:33,541 --> 01:16:37,833
But… somehow, I still couldn't beat him.
994
01:16:38,875 --> 01:16:40,791
Something was still missing.
995
01:16:44,375 --> 01:16:47,874
I think the only way to beat someone
like Garry Kasparov
996
01:16:47,875 --> 01:16:49,583
is if you manage to believe
997
01:16:50,416 --> 01:16:55,375
that you can take down your idol
at his own game.
998
01:16:57,166 --> 01:17:00,665
If you don't believe
that you are on the same level as him,
999
01:17:00,666 --> 01:17:03,041
you have no chance at winning the game.
1000
01:17:08,500 --> 01:17:11,290
Here we are at the training camp,
1001
01:17:11,291 --> 01:17:13,250
with the Adriatic in the background.
1002
01:17:16,208 --> 01:17:18,165
How is the Adriatic?
1003
01:17:18,166 --> 01:17:21,458
Beautiful to look at
because I'd love to jump in.
1004
01:17:23,083 --> 01:17:28,416
Next year, in 2002,
I saw Kasparov at a tournament.
1005
01:17:29,041 --> 01:17:35,000
He asked me, maybe do I want to visit him
for a training session in Croatia.
1006
01:17:37,250 --> 01:17:40,624
{\an8}Many players,
they had some kind of… collisions.
1007
01:17:40,625 --> 01:17:45,665
So, with Judit,
it was always just… respectful.
1008
01:17:45,666 --> 01:17:49,541
And… and that's why I suggested
that we would work together.
1009
01:17:50,541 --> 01:17:54,625
She was one of the top players.
She could offer some new perspectives.
1010
01:17:56,208 --> 01:17:57,665
Judit.
1011
01:17:57,666 --> 01:18:01,832
Of course, I was extremely happy
for the invitation.
1012
01:18:01,833 --> 01:18:05,249
I went with my husband to their villa.
1013
01:18:05,250 --> 01:18:07,958
And it was a wonderful week.
1014
01:18:09,208 --> 01:18:14,166
It was a great experience.
Kasparov was in amazing form.
1015
01:18:15,666 --> 01:18:20,207
I learned a lot, the way he was
approaching a chess position.
1016
01:18:20,208 --> 01:18:24,499
What kind of ideas
he's considering seriously,
1017
01:18:24,500 --> 01:18:28,624
or some of the moves
which I would consider to analyze,
1018
01:18:28,625 --> 01:18:30,665
he just ignores
because it's not important.
1019
01:18:30,666 --> 01:18:31,708
It's irrelevant.
1020
01:18:33,125 --> 01:18:37,707
Also, I was surprised
that Kasparov was not working all day.
1021
01:18:37,708 --> 01:18:40,665
We had an afternoon session of chess.
1022
01:18:40,666 --> 01:18:42,957
And in the morning,
we were doing other things.
1023
01:18:42,958 --> 01:18:46,916
For example, we were going to the sea
to have banana boat.
1024
01:18:50,291 --> 01:18:51,499
It was like a rule.
1025
01:18:51,500 --> 01:18:55,416
So, everybody who joined me there
had to do the banana ride.
1026
01:19:02,875 --> 01:19:05,165
I won that competition
1027
01:19:05,166 --> 01:19:08,666
because I was the only one
who did not fall into the water.
1028
01:19:15,291 --> 01:19:18,874
Many times, it happens that
when you have the distance,
1029
01:19:18,875 --> 01:19:21,000
you think something of the champion.
1030
01:19:23,166 --> 01:19:24,500
About his character.
1031
01:19:26,333 --> 01:19:30,999
And when you get into an environment
which is very loose, very friendly,
1032
01:19:31,000 --> 01:19:34,832
and you spend every day
from morning to evening around him,
1033
01:19:34,833 --> 01:19:37,666
it… it gets
a completely different picture.
1034
01:19:38,166 --> 01:19:41,041
We saw more of the human side.
1035
01:19:42,666 --> 01:19:44,832
The kind of feeling
1036
01:19:44,833 --> 01:19:48,958
that there is a god sitting
on the other side is gone.
1037
01:19:51,083 --> 01:19:53,041
A flesh-and-blood person
was in front of her.
1038
01:20:18,791 --> 01:20:22,665
At this point,
they had played each other 14 times.
1039
01:20:22,666 --> 01:20:26,457
Garry Kasparov hadn't lost a single game.
1040
01:20:26,458 --> 01:20:28,832
Playing against Garry Kasparov was rough.
1041
01:20:28,833 --> 01:20:31,665
I mean, it's like playing against
Federer in his prime.
1042
01:20:31,666 --> 01:20:33,707
Everybody lost to Garry.
1043
01:20:33,708 --> 01:20:35,374
Garry Kasparov.
1044
01:20:35,375 --> 01:20:38,708
I was probably the only player
who never suffered a defeat against her.
1045
01:20:40,291 --> 01:20:43,415
She beat Kramnik,
Anand, every other player.
1046
01:20:43,416 --> 01:20:47,708
So, I was the only one who just kept,
you know, just my… my fortress intact.
1047
01:20:52,458 --> 01:20:55,249
Silence, please.
I'd like to start the round.
1048
01:20:55,250 --> 01:20:57,625
Please, arbiters, start the clocks.
1049
01:21:01,291 --> 01:21:04,124
The next time we met over the board,
1050
01:21:04,125 --> 01:21:06,375
I was playing with the white pieces.
1051
01:21:08,000 --> 01:21:12,708
I played my first move,
1. e4, front of the king, two ahead.
1052
01:21:13,958 --> 01:21:16,374
This was not a surprise to Kasparov
1053
01:21:16,375 --> 01:21:20,041
because this is what I've been playing
from a very young age.
1054
01:21:23,708 --> 01:21:27,750
And then the way he reacted,
it was a shock.
1055
01:21:29,500 --> 01:21:33,000
Garry surprised everyone
by playing pawn to e5.
1056
01:21:36,458 --> 01:21:38,665
Just about every game
they played was Sicilians.
1057
01:21:38,666 --> 01:21:40,457
Those games are normally crazy.
1058
01:21:40,458 --> 01:21:43,291
But here, Garry decided
to play the Berlin Defense.
1059
01:21:45,166 --> 01:21:47,624
We all had our strengths and weaknesses.
1060
01:21:47,625 --> 01:21:49,250
Judit is a very aggressive player.
1061
01:21:50,000 --> 01:21:53,124
And the choice of the opening
was more defensive.
1062
01:21:53,125 --> 01:21:56,624
Garry Kasparov
was forcing a different kind of game,
1063
01:21:56,625 --> 01:21:58,708
a slower, more nuanced match.
1064
01:22:00,541 --> 01:22:03,750
It was absolutely not in my style.
1065
01:22:11,583 --> 01:22:14,124
{\an8}What happens with this opening?
1066
01:22:14,125 --> 01:22:18,833
The queens get off from the board
at the very early stage of the game.
1067
01:22:21,958 --> 01:22:26,000
In one hand, I cannot attack,
but he cannot attack either.
1068
01:22:30,916 --> 01:22:34,208
Garry pushes a pawn
on the kingside. So does Judit.
1069
01:22:34,791 --> 01:22:37,374
It was not aggressive.
1070
01:22:37,375 --> 01:22:38,625
It was very strategic.
1071
01:22:43,000 --> 01:22:45,583
{\an8}I started to build up my position.
1072
01:22:46,208 --> 01:22:48,500
And I made my move with the knight.
1073
01:22:49,125 --> 01:22:52,375
It makes Kasparov
go a little bit defensive.
1074
01:22:54,000 --> 01:22:56,582
{\an8}Judit starts
to turn the screws a little bit,
1075
01:22:56,583 --> 01:22:59,708
getting a little bit of extra pressure
in the middle of the board.
1076
01:23:04,208 --> 01:23:08,625
I saw Kasparov realizing
that there can be a big problem.
1077
01:23:10,291 --> 01:23:12,665
Garry wanted to fight her in an endgame.
1078
01:23:12,666 --> 01:23:17,333
But it starts to get
a bit uncomfortable for black.
1079
01:23:18,250 --> 01:23:21,916
From move to move, I was putting
more and more pressure on him.
1080
01:23:26,916 --> 01:23:31,165
I felt that I have simply
such a beautiful position.
1081
01:23:31,166 --> 01:23:33,082
I mean, I should be winning this.
1082
01:23:33,083 --> 01:23:34,458
How is it possible?
1083
01:23:38,291 --> 01:23:40,875
{\an8}But of course,
when you have a great advantage,
1084
01:23:41,541 --> 01:23:44,875
{\an8}and you play such an essential game,
1085
01:23:45,666 --> 01:23:47,750
you start to be a little bit nervous.
1086
01:23:54,416 --> 01:23:56,624
Since I was very young,
1087
01:23:56,625 --> 01:23:59,125
I was dreaming to win against him.
1088
01:24:02,000 --> 01:24:03,291
{\an8}But I never did it.
1089
01:24:10,000 --> 01:24:13,999
{\an8}And I was sitting there
and sitting there, and I told myself,
1090
01:24:14,000 --> 01:24:16,040
{\an8}"You don't go for the draw."
1091
01:24:16,041 --> 01:24:18,416
"You go all the way until the very end."
1092
01:24:25,208 --> 01:24:29,375
I was taking
more and more space away from him.
1093
01:24:32,833 --> 01:24:35,665
And then I made a rook move
into the center line,
1094
01:24:35,666 --> 01:24:38,749
and his king started to get in trouble.
1095
01:24:38,750 --> 01:24:42,875
Those rooks, powerfully placed,
just start gobbling pawns.
1096
01:24:44,250 --> 01:24:47,541
{\an8}I was continuously working
on my endgame knowledge.
1097
01:24:48,458 --> 01:24:52,040
Some patterns actually coming
from my childhood,
1098
01:24:52,041 --> 01:24:54,833
what I was learning when I was 8 or 9.
1099
01:24:56,500 --> 01:25:01,375
I felt that there is less and less
saving opportunity for him.
1100
01:25:02,791 --> 01:25:05,582
This is one of the greatest
chess players in history,
1101
01:25:05,583 --> 01:25:07,957
if not the greatest chess player.
1102
01:25:07,958 --> 01:25:11,457
You would think that he would figure out
a way to wriggle out of this one.
1103
01:25:11,458 --> 01:25:13,458
But Judit showed master class.
1104
01:25:15,458 --> 01:25:17,416
It became kind of quiet.
1105
01:25:19,708 --> 01:25:23,624
{\an8}Suddenly, I realized
that within one or two moves,
1106
01:25:23,625 --> 01:25:27,249
there will be no way
that Kasparov will be fighting on,
1107
01:25:27,250 --> 01:25:28,750
because it's hopeless.
1108
01:25:35,458 --> 01:25:37,333
And then the moment came.
1109
01:25:41,750 --> 01:25:43,291
He gave his hand.
1110
01:25:49,291 --> 01:25:52,124
Judit Polgár, the great attacking genius,
1111
01:25:52,125 --> 01:25:57,625
ends up finally defeating Kasparov
in a nuanced, subtle endgame.
1112
01:26:01,041 --> 01:26:05,957
This is the one and only moment
in history when a female player beats
1113
01:26:05,958 --> 01:26:09,583
the strongest,
the greatest player of all time.
1114
01:26:10,583 --> 01:26:13,332
And not only does she beat him,
but she crushes him.
1115
01:26:13,333 --> 01:26:15,250
She doesn't give him a single chance.
1116
01:26:17,333 --> 01:26:20,582
At that point,
the 12-year-old girl with the ponytail
1117
01:26:20,583 --> 01:26:21,707
was long forgotten.
1118
01:26:21,708 --> 01:26:24,625
I mean, it was just
one of the best players in the world.
1119
01:26:26,416 --> 01:26:28,290
{\an8}I cannot stress enough
1120
01:26:28,291 --> 01:26:32,582
how important this moment was to us women.
1121
01:26:32,583 --> 01:26:35,666
Because we thought,
"Okay, hang on a second. We can do that."
1122
01:26:37,333 --> 01:26:41,958
As a young girl,
this was such a huge inspiration to me.
1123
01:26:42,666 --> 01:26:46,000
It proved that impossible is possible.
1124
01:26:53,291 --> 01:26:58,165
Obviously, it was not
my ideal game scenario.
1125
01:26:58,166 --> 01:26:59,665
She just…
1126
01:26:59,666 --> 01:27:03,083
She just delivered,
and that's how I lost the game.
1127
01:27:10,083 --> 01:27:14,165
Here is the hero
of the day, the Kasparov slayer.
1128
01:27:14,166 --> 01:27:17,290
So what is your professional opinion?
Were you satisfied?
1129
01:27:17,291 --> 01:27:20,707
- Yes.
- Yes, but go on!
1130
01:27:20,708 --> 01:27:22,915
- No comment.
- Don't be silly!
1131
01:27:22,916 --> 01:27:25,040
I've never heard such a thing before.
1132
01:27:25,041 --> 01:27:27,790
I was dreaming
for a long time that one day,
1133
01:27:27,791 --> 01:27:30,165
I will win against Garry Kasparov.
1134
01:27:30,166 --> 01:27:31,958
It was like a great satisfaction.
1135
01:27:35,083 --> 01:27:36,791
Well, Judit beat Kasparov.
1136
01:27:38,875 --> 01:27:41,749
My sisters and family was not there,
1137
01:27:41,750 --> 01:27:45,291
but immediately I called them
to share this moment.
1138
01:27:47,833 --> 01:27:49,791
It was such a joy.
1139
01:27:50,291 --> 01:27:55,333
It's something we waited for
our whole lives, and she managed to do it.
1140
01:27:56,791 --> 01:28:01,457
What I dreamt when I was 4,
I accomplished a good part of it,
1141
01:28:01,458 --> 01:28:03,291
but she took it to the next level.
1142
01:28:03,916 --> 01:28:06,333
I was very, very proud of her.
1143
01:28:07,333 --> 01:28:09,082
My father was extremely happy.
1144
01:28:09,083 --> 01:28:12,375
I think he was jumping
up and down from happiness.
1145
01:28:13,791 --> 01:28:16,499
It was a fabulous achievement for her,
1146
01:28:16,500 --> 01:28:20,957
and that's why I felt that
1147
01:28:20,958 --> 01:28:23,999
our experiment worked.
1148
01:28:24,000 --> 01:28:28,750
But you can only say that Judit was
one of the best players in the world.
1149
01:28:30,416 --> 01:28:34,124
To be the number one
among the world's top players,
1150
01:28:34,125 --> 01:28:38,291
she would have had to work
three or four hours a day more.
1151
01:28:39,875 --> 01:28:43,708
I am just glad to see Judit happy.
1152
01:28:47,041 --> 01:28:51,416
That moment,
it finally gave me the feeling that
1153
01:28:52,083 --> 01:28:54,375
in one game, in an event…
1154
01:28:56,791 --> 01:28:58,458
I can beat anybody.
1155
01:29:02,666 --> 01:29:06,625
Who took the bomp?
1156
01:29:19,958 --> 01:29:23,749
{\an8}Judit was the greatest
female chess player in history.
1157
01:29:23,750 --> 01:29:25,416
{\an8}There's no doubt about that.
1158
01:29:25,958 --> 01:29:27,624
{\an8}She transformed chess.
1159
01:29:27,625 --> 01:29:30,165
Every day and night…
1160
01:29:30,166 --> 01:29:34,290
She's also a phenomenon
in that sense that she was a guinea pig
1161
01:29:34,291 --> 01:29:36,583
of her father and mother's ideas.
1162
01:29:38,250 --> 01:29:44,332
And I think the fact that she achieved
all these things that he dreamt of,
1163
01:29:44,333 --> 01:29:48,540
and that she still remained
a very normal and pleasant person,
1164
01:29:48,541 --> 01:29:50,708
that's some sort of a miracle.
1165
01:29:53,083 --> 01:29:58,790
Without any flattery, we could say
that she did something revolutionary.
1166
01:29:58,791 --> 01:30:03,250
She proved that a female player
could be a top competitor.
1167
01:30:06,625 --> 01:30:08,957
That was something that many of us,
1168
01:30:08,958 --> 01:30:12,332
frankly speaking, myself included,
would not think was possible.
1169
01:30:12,333 --> 01:30:15,499
Who took the bomp
From the bompalompalomp?
1170
01:30:15,500 --> 01:30:18,458
Who took the ram
From the ramalamading-dong?
1171
01:30:25,375 --> 01:30:27,374
Looking back all these years,
1172
01:30:27,375 --> 01:30:30,207
and being the subject of that experiment,
1173
01:30:30,208 --> 01:30:32,333
how do you feel about it?
1174
01:30:54,500 --> 01:30:56,374
Of course, in one hand,
1175
01:30:56,375 --> 01:31:01,375
it is not a nice way
of being part of an experiment.
1176
01:31:04,125 --> 01:31:06,916
I never felt myself being a genius.
1177
01:31:07,625 --> 01:31:10,290
I know that the things I could reach,
1178
01:31:10,291 --> 01:31:15,625
that was definitely, like,
95% of my work and dedication.
1179
01:31:16,250 --> 01:31:18,166
And this came from my parents.
1180
01:31:22,750 --> 01:31:27,708
My father, of course, was the one
who showed me the beauty of chess.
1181
01:31:28,875 --> 01:31:30,958
But also, what I could do.
1182
01:31:31,625 --> 01:31:33,583
That I could be great.
1183
01:31:35,916 --> 01:31:38,249
People have to believe in you.
1184
01:31:38,250 --> 01:31:40,375
And you have to believe in yourself.
1185
01:31:42,541 --> 01:31:45,790
I think the most important thing
is that from today,
1186
01:31:45,791 --> 01:31:48,541
you have to be better than yesterday.
1187
01:31:50,291 --> 01:31:52,291
And tomorrow, you try to get better.
1188
01:31:54,500 --> 01:31:55,958
Never give up.
1189
01:31:58,208 --> 01:32:00,541
And always fight until the very end.