1 00:00:02,000 --> 00:00:07,000 Downloaded from YTS.BZ 2 00:00:08,000 --> 00:00:13,000 Official YIFY movies site: YTS.BZ 3 00:00:29,880 --> 00:00:32,039 It's the police. Simon Blackwell from Cheshire. 4 00:00:32,040 --> 00:00:33,839 Can we come in? We need to speak to you. 5 00:00:33,840 --> 00:00:36,320 - Yeah, come in. - Thanks. Sorry about coming in… 6 00:00:51,200 --> 00:00:52,680 - Lucy? - Yeah. 7 00:00:53,480 --> 00:00:54,960 I'm gonna come in, okay? 8 00:01:28,960 --> 00:01:30,360 Please can I see my cat? 9 00:01:43,520 --> 00:01:44,759 You know I didn't do it. 10 00:01:44,760 --> 00:01:46,599 - I know you didn't! - I know! 11 00:01:46,600 --> 00:01:48,000 We know that! 12 00:02:23,960 --> 00:02:26,440 We have gone through the evidence case by case 13 00:02:27,120 --> 00:02:30,440 and given you the opportunity to provide explanations throughout. 14 00:02:37,960 --> 00:02:42,040 You wrote a note saying, "I am evil. I did this." 15 00:02:50,480 --> 00:02:52,479 If you haven't been involved 16 00:02:52,480 --> 00:02:54,480 in the collapses and deaths of these babies, 17 00:02:55,000 --> 00:02:58,359 why did you write a note which clearly states you were responsible, 18 00:02:58,360 --> 00:03:00,200 that you killed them on purpose? 19 00:03:00,800 --> 00:03:01,920 No comment. 20 00:04:20,000 --> 00:04:21,719 This interview is being recorded. 21 00:04:21,720 --> 00:04:24,320 It's now recording every word that is said in this interview. 22 00:04:24,920 --> 00:04:26,480 Introduce yourself, please. 23 00:04:28,160 --> 00:04:31,360 - Date of birth? - Fourth of the first, 1990. 24 00:04:32,240 --> 00:04:35,519 This interview is your opportunity to put forward your response 25 00:04:35,520 --> 00:04:37,559 to the reasons why you've been arrested. 26 00:04:37,560 --> 00:04:39,119 If you are innocent 27 00:04:39,120 --> 00:04:42,479 and have any reasonable explanation, defense, or alibi, 28 00:04:42,480 --> 00:04:44,599 we will search for evidence that will support you. 29 00:04:44,600 --> 00:04:47,279 We're not here to judge you. Do you understand that, Lucy? 30 00:04:47,280 --> 00:04:48,120 Yes. 31 00:05:03,600 --> 00:05:07,040 So tell me about what happens with a baby's first feed. 32 00:05:08,840 --> 00:05:11,559 So the doctors will tell you when they're happy 33 00:05:11,560 --> 00:05:13,440 for a baby to commence feeds. 34 00:05:14,440 --> 00:05:17,480 And they would be fed via the nasogastric tube. 35 00:05:19,600 --> 00:05:22,039 And we… Usually, for a premature baby, 36 00:05:22,040 --> 00:05:25,959 we would prefer to give either breast milk or donor breast milk. 37 00:05:25,960 --> 00:05:28,680 We wouldn't usually give formula to a baby of that size. 38 00:05:46,760 --> 00:05:48,640 We're gonna talk about ***. 39 00:05:49,800 --> 00:05:53,079 At 16:01 hours on 20th June 2015, 40 00:05:53,080 --> 00:05:57,159 she was born by cesarean section and transferred to the neonatal ward. 41 00:05:57,160 --> 00:06:00,919 At 04:25 hours on 22nd June 2015, 42 00:06:00,920 --> 00:06:02,840 ♪ was pronounced deceased. 43 00:06:03,360 --> 00:06:06,440 Is there anything you can tell us about what happened to her? 44 00:06:07,640 --> 00:06:09,600 I don't really remember ***. 45 00:06:24,400 --> 00:06:26,799 You can't remember any collapse 46 00:06:26,800 --> 00:06:29,000 or any involvement in the care at that time? 47 00:06:29,520 --> 00:06:30,480 No. 48 00:26:24,280 --> 00:26:25,880 Are you gonna search the house? 49 00:28:02,640 --> 00:28:05,000 Okay, just put your arms out for me. 50 00:28:10,680 --> 00:28:13,320 What's your current occupation? 51 00:28:14,240 --> 00:28:15,600 Children's nurse. 52 00:29:35,000 --> 00:29:38,599 Okay, this interview is being recorded. I am Detective Constable Lee. 53 00:29:38,600 --> 00:29:40,879 - The other officer present is… - 3201 Vikki Holt. 54 00:29:40,880 --> 00:29:42,959 Please introduce yourself again for me, Lucy. 55 00:29:42,960 --> 00:29:44,280 Lucy Letby. 56 00:30:02,520 --> 00:30:04,719 So, in general terms, during the resuscitation, 57 00:30:04,720 --> 00:30:05,959 what are the roles-- 58 00:30:05,960 --> 00:30:08,319 Usually, the medical staff have the airway. 59 00:30:08,320 --> 00:30:11,439 They would be delivering the resuscitation drugs. 60 00:30:11,440 --> 00:30:14,519 - So two people would be doing the drugs. - Okay. 61 00:30:14,520 --> 00:30:17,800 And then ideally have somebody supporting the parents. 62 00:30:33,600 --> 00:30:37,399 So who takes the notes during the resus attempts? 63 00:30:37,400 --> 00:30:39,319 Ideally, you would have a scribe there. 64 00:30:39,320 --> 00:30:41,919 So, usually, one of the junior doctors would take on, 65 00:30:41,920 --> 00:30:44,600 or one of the nurses would take on the scribing role. 66 00:30:55,800 --> 00:30:59,520 Just prior to the collapse, Lucy, 67 00:31:00,320 --> 00:31:03,480 had you had any cause to go into Nursery One at all? 68 00:31:05,280 --> 00:31:06,559 I don't remember. 69 00:31:06,560 --> 00:31:09,160 Right. Were you working in Nursery One? 70 00:31:09,800 --> 00:31:13,040 I don't think I was, but I don't recall which baby I was looking after. 71 00:31:15,480 --> 00:31:16,999 And you… you don't remember 72 00:31:17,000 --> 00:31:20,360 the process of how you ended up in Nursery One, with the resus? 73 00:31:20,880 --> 00:31:21,720 No. 74 00:31:32,440 --> 00:31:35,840 Are you aware of why he required resuscitation? 75 00:31:40,640 --> 00:31:42,919 No, I don't recall the events leading up to that. 76 00:31:42,920 --> 00:31:45,120 I just know that he had resuscitation. 77 00:33:32,040 --> 00:33:34,239 It's the police. Simon Blackwell from Cheshire. 78 00:33:34,240 --> 00:33:35,840 Can we come in? We need to speak to you. 79 00:33:38,400 --> 00:33:39,240 Lucy? 80 00:33:40,680 --> 00:33:42,160 I'm gonna come in, okay? 81 00:34:31,640 --> 00:34:34,919 This is a continuation of a series of interviews, Lucy. 82 00:34:34,920 --> 00:34:37,160 As you can see, the red light has come on. 83 00:34:37,680 --> 00:34:39,999 This interview is also being visually recorded 84 00:34:40,000 --> 00:34:41,720 and monitored upstairs. 85 00:34:43,880 --> 00:34:47,039 Your home address was searched, 86 00:34:47,040 --> 00:34:51,680 and a large quantity of these handover sheets 87 00:34:52,200 --> 00:34:54,559 were found at your home address. 88 00:34:54,560 --> 00:34:55,800 Can you explain that? 89 00:34:58,160 --> 00:35:01,399 They're just sheets that have inadvertently come home in my pocket. 90 00:35:01,400 --> 00:35:03,880 I've not emptied my pockets before coming home. 91 00:35:36,480 --> 00:35:39,760 Explain to me why you put them all together in a folder. 92 00:35:40,560 --> 00:35:42,679 I didn't know how to dispose of them myself, 93 00:35:42,680 --> 00:35:44,120 so I didn't dispose of them. 94 00:35:44,800 --> 00:35:46,800 You didn't know how to dispose of them? 95 00:35:47,440 --> 00:35:48,440 No. 96 00:35:50,520 --> 00:35:55,679 Have you previously taken any of these handover sheets home 97 00:35:55,680 --> 00:35:57,160 and disposed of them? 98 00:36:00,040 --> 00:36:01,240 No, I don't think so. 99 00:36:02,120 --> 00:36:04,719 'Cause I haven't got a shredder, and that's how I would… 100 00:36:04,720 --> 00:36:06,800 that's how I'd have to get rid of them. 101 00:36:26,040 --> 00:36:31,199 Do those sheets that are in your folder that you kept at your home address, Lucy, 102 00:36:31,200 --> 00:36:35,720 relate to babies which you were designated nurse for? 103 00:36:37,200 --> 00:36:38,080 Yes. 104 00:37:05,280 --> 00:37:09,239 My colleague asked you about the collapses of the babies, 105 00:37:09,240 --> 00:37:12,560 and you said that you recorded those. 106 00:37:13,440 --> 00:37:15,119 - Why? - I think I've made reference. 107 00:37:15,120 --> 00:37:17,159 I don't know in what way I've recorded them. 108 00:37:17,160 --> 00:37:18,000 Right. 109 00:37:27,720 --> 00:37:30,199 I think there were some days in my diary that I've… 110 00:37:30,200 --> 00:37:32,880 I've asterisked or marked days that were… 111 00:37:33,560 --> 00:37:35,800 that we had a baby that was particularly unwell. 112 00:37:36,320 --> 00:37:38,480 And what was the purpose of that? 113 00:37:39,560 --> 00:37:41,240 Don't know. Just for my own… 114 00:37:41,760 --> 00:37:42,800 Your own what? 115 00:37:46,360 --> 00:37:48,600 I don't know. My own reflection, I suppose. 116 00:37:51,520 --> 00:37:54,120 Why would you want to reflect on those, Lucy? 117 00:37:55,000 --> 00:37:56,599 I don't talk to anybody about it. 118 00:37:56,600 --> 00:37:59,680 I just internalize things and do it in my own time. 119 00:38:25,400 --> 00:38:29,399 I'm gonna read you an extract from it, and it says, 120 00:38:29,400 --> 00:38:31,800 "Murderer. Murder." 121 00:38:36,440 --> 00:38:39,320 "No one will ever know what happened and why." 122 00:38:42,720 --> 00:38:44,679 Explain these comments to me, Lucy. 123 00:38:44,680 --> 00:38:45,680 No comment. 124 00:38:47,160 --> 00:38:49,400 Tell me about the comment "murderer." 125 00:38:50,240 --> 00:38:51,320 No comment. 126 00:38:51,880 --> 00:38:55,679 Are you suggesting there that you are a murderer? 127 00:38:55,680 --> 00:38:56,760 No comment. 128 00:38:58,960 --> 00:39:00,039 Tell me about, 129 00:39:00,040 --> 00:39:03,039 "No one will ever know what happened and why." 130 00:39:03,040 --> 00:39:05,719 - No comment. - What does that mean, Lucy? 131 00:39:05,720 --> 00:39:06,840 No comment. 132 00:39:16,760 --> 00:39:19,239 Lucy, since you left the unit, 133 00:39:19,240 --> 00:39:23,599 887 babies of 32 weeks' gestation or greater 134 00:39:23,600 --> 00:39:26,119 were born at the Countess of Chester Hospital 135 00:39:26,120 --> 00:39:27,920 and admitted to the NNU. 136 00:39:29,120 --> 00:39:34,320 None of these babies since you left died or deteriorated unexpectedly. 137 00:39:35,120 --> 00:39:37,599 Have you got any comment you wish to make about this? 138 00:39:37,600 --> 00:39:38,680 No comment. 139 00:39:41,320 --> 00:39:44,479 With all the evidence we have available at this time, 140 00:39:44,480 --> 00:39:47,679 it clearly shows that you were the only person present 141 00:39:47,680 --> 00:39:53,359 for all of the 25 collapses and the deaths of the 17 babies 142 00:39:53,360 --> 00:39:55,480 and would suggest you are responsible. 143 00:39:56,080 --> 00:39:58,840 No one else, Lucy. Only you. 144 00:40:02,080 --> 00:40:06,520 Lucy, f there is an explanation for why you are responsible, 145 00:40:07,040 --> 00:40:11,159 now is your final opportunity to explain why this is to us. 146 00:40:11,160 --> 00:40:12,240 No comment. 147 00:40:16,640 --> 00:40:17,879 Okay. 148 00:40:17,880 --> 00:40:23,119 Okay, the time by my watch is 16:10 hours, 149 00:40:23,120 --> 00:40:25,240 and this interview is now concluded. 150 00:41:42,840 --> 00:41:43,880 Is she upstairs? 151 00:47:20,920 --> 00:47:22,600 We're gonna talk about ***. 152 00:47:23,920 --> 00:47:26,799 There's six pages there of her medical charts 153 00:47:26,800 --> 00:47:29,040 that you've got your name next to. 154 00:47:29,680 --> 00:47:32,760 Is it fair to say you were involved somewhat with her care? 155 00:47:33,280 --> 00:47:34,360 Yes. 156 00:47:35,240 --> 00:47:38,160 Tell us about what happened to ***. 157 00:47:39,000 --> 00:47:40,880 I don't really remember ***. 158 00:47:42,440 --> 00:47:45,560 Do you recall getting involved with the resuscitation at all? 159 00:47:47,440 --> 00:47:48,440 Not that I remember. 160 00:50:01,120 --> 00:50:03,519 Dr. Evans said her collapse is consistent 161 00:50:03,520 --> 00:50:05,679 with the effect of an air embolus 162 00:50:05,680 --> 00:50:09,079 caused by an injection of air into her circulation 163 00:50:09,080 --> 00:50:11,760 when the designated nurse was not in the room, 164 00:50:12,600 --> 00:50:13,879 but you were. 165 00:50:13,880 --> 00:50:14,880 Right. 166 00:50:15,840 --> 00:50:17,920 Have you got any explanation to that, Lucy? 167 00:50:18,440 --> 00:50:19,280 No. 168 00:50:21,680 --> 00:50:23,720 From the evidence provided, Lucy, 169 00:50:24,360 --> 00:50:26,880 it shows that you were present when *** collapsed. 170 00:50:27,480 --> 00:50:28,760 Do you agree with that? 171 00:50:32,800 --> 00:50:36,480 You were working in Nursery One when a nurse was in there. 172 00:50:37,000 --> 00:50:39,240 She had gone out for a reason. 173 00:50:39,800 --> 00:50:43,000 If that's what she says. I don't recall specifically where I was. 174 00:50:44,800 --> 00:50:46,519 Is there a reason why you remembered 175 00:50:46,520 --> 00:50:49,960 the administering of the medication and not the collapses, Lucy? 176 00:50:51,160 --> 00:50:54,519 No, I've only remembered the medication from looking through the notes 177 00:50:54,520 --> 00:50:57,640 and seeing that I obviously did sign for medications. 178 00:51:00,280 --> 00:51:03,599 Is it because you remember the administration of the medication? 179 00:51:03,600 --> 00:51:06,759 Because that's when you took the opportunity to attack… 180 00:51:06,760 --> 00:51:07,720 No. 181 00:51:08,400 --> 00:51:09,559 …and administer air? 182 00:51:09,560 --> 00:51:11,399 - No. - No? 183 00:51:11,400 --> 00:51:12,320 No. 184 00:54:16,560 --> 00:54:21,000 On 25th June, you did a Facebook search for ***. 185 00:54:21,520 --> 00:54:25,120 And on 25th June again, you then searched for *****. 186 00:54:25,840 --> 00:54:28,760 Do you agree you made those searches on Facebook, Lucy? 187 00:54:30,040 --> 00:54:33,760 I don't think I recall doing it, but, yes, I must have if it's there, yeah. 188 00:54:37,920 --> 00:54:40,359 Were you looking for photographs of the babies, Lucy? 189 00:54:40,360 --> 00:54:41,200 No. 190 00:54:50,200 --> 00:54:52,320 - You don't know what you were looking for? - No. 191 00:55:53,920 --> 00:55:56,839 Whoever gave him his insulin would have done so 192 00:55:56,840 --> 00:55:59,159 knowing it would've placed him in harm's way 193 00:55:59,160 --> 00:56:00,679 and could have caused his death 194 00:56:00,680 --> 00:56:04,839 or led to him having irreversible life-changing injuries. 195 00:56:04,840 --> 00:56:07,000 Do you agree with that statement, Lucy? 196 00:56:08,000 --> 00:56:09,000 Yes. 197 00:57:15,320 --> 00:57:19,200 You've confirmed your signature on the TPN prescription. 198 00:57:20,360 --> 00:57:22,239 - Did you administer… - No. 199 00:57:22,240 --> 00:57:24,560 - …insulin into the bags of TPN, Lucy? - No. 200 00:58:06,560 --> 00:58:08,919 The question to you is, did you administer insulin? 201 00:58:08,920 --> 00:58:10,079 No. 202 00:58:10,080 --> 00:58:12,040 Because the experts think someone has. 203 00:58:12,560 --> 00:58:14,039 You were caring for him. 204 00:58:14,040 --> 00:58:15,000 I didn't. 205 00:58:15,520 --> 00:58:17,120 - Do you know who did? - No. 206 00:59:33,880 --> 00:59:37,840 You wrote a note saying, "I am evil. I did this." 207 00:59:38,360 --> 00:59:40,119 "I don't deserve to live." 208 00:59:40,120 --> 00:59:41,880 "I killed them on purpose." 209 00:59:42,600 --> 00:59:44,680 "I am a horrible, evil person." 210 00:59:45,680 --> 00:59:47,959 Explain why this is to us. 211 00:59:47,960 --> 00:59:49,000 No comment. 212 01:00:30,720 --> 01:00:33,399 The jury in the trial of the nurse Lucy Letby 213 01:00:33,400 --> 01:00:35,800 has retired to consider its verdict. 214 01:06:38,000 --> 01:06:42,799 Okay, Lucy, I am really concerned about what you've written down 215 01:06:42,800 --> 01:06:45,000 and what you've implied you might've done. 216 01:06:48,120 --> 01:06:49,560 Anything you want to tell us? 217 01:06:51,440 --> 01:06:54,240 I just wrote it 'cause everything had got on top of me. 218 01:06:58,000 --> 01:07:01,720 It was when I had not long found out I'd been removed from the unit. 219 01:07:06,280 --> 01:07:09,519 I felt like they were… blaming my practice, 220 01:07:09,520 --> 01:07:13,120 that I might have hurt them without knowing, through my practice, 221 01:07:14,000 --> 01:07:15,960 and that made me feel guilty. 222 01:07:19,080 --> 01:07:22,120 Do you want to elaborate on some of the things you put down on there? 223 01:07:25,440 --> 01:07:27,200 I was blaming myself. 224 01:07:31,520 --> 01:07:32,959 But not because I'd done something. 225 01:07:32,960 --> 01:07:36,040 Because of the way people were making me feel. 226 01:07:41,760 --> 01:07:43,959 I felt like I'd only ever done my best for those babies, 227 01:07:43,960 --> 01:07:47,479 and then people were trying to say that my practice wasn't good 228 01:07:47,480 --> 01:07:51,120 or that I'd done something, and I just… I couldn't cope with it. 229 01:07:55,440 --> 01:07:57,920 And I did just not wanna be here anymore. 230 01:08:00,160 --> 01:08:04,040 You say, "There are no words. "I can't breathe. I can't focus." 231 01:08:05,920 --> 01:08:07,960 I just felt like it was all just 232 01:08:09,280 --> 01:08:12,599 spiraling out of control. I just didn't know how to feel about it 233 01:08:12,600 --> 01:08:14,720 or what was gonna happen or what to do. 234 01:08:17,320 --> 01:08:21,119 Just felt that the trust and the team were trying to imply 235 01:08:21,120 --> 01:08:23,640 that it was something that I'd done. 236 01:08:24,960 --> 01:08:28,480 Was there any individuals that… implied that? 237 01:08:33,640 --> 01:08:35,840 Yeah, some of the consultants. 238 01:08:37,440 --> 01:08:41,520 Can you give a reason why they might wanna victimize you or… 239 01:08:43,760 --> 01:08:45,480 point the finger towards you? 240 01:08:49,520 --> 01:08:52,599 It crossed my mind at times whether they were trying to put the blame on me 241 01:08:52,600 --> 01:08:54,720 for something that somebody else had done. 242 01:09:28,480 --> 01:09:31,440 In terms of overwhelming fear and panic, 243 01:09:31,960 --> 01:09:33,880 what were you afraid of? 244 01:09:34,400 --> 01:09:37,160 That they were going to think I had done something wrong. 245 01:09:37,680 --> 01:09:41,480 Okay, and what would happen if they thought that? 246 01:09:42,560 --> 01:09:44,040 That this would happen. 247 01:09:44,800 --> 01:09:47,360 - Right. - That the police would get involved. 248 01:09:48,280 --> 01:09:50,680 - And is that what happened-- - And I'd lose my job. 249 01:09:54,080 --> 01:09:56,080 And was it a job that you enjoyed? 250 01:09:57,000 --> 01:09:58,000 Yeah. 251 01:09:58,960 --> 01:10:00,719 Yeah, I loved my job. 252 01:10:00,720 --> 01:10:01,720 Okay. 253 01:27:49,640 --> 01:27:52,279 We've spent several days 254 01:27:52,280 --> 01:27:54,719 questioning and discussing with you in depth 255 01:27:54,720 --> 01:28:00,359 your involvement in the murders and attempted murders of 17 babies, 256 01:28:00,360 --> 01:28:03,400 which you have constantly denied, Lucy. 257 01:28:04,920 --> 01:28:06,919 Have you got any comment you wish to make? 258 01:28:06,920 --> 01:28:07,960 No comment.