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MAN: Before we get into
the deep stuff, let's just talk,

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let's give some basics.

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Remember, when you're answering
these questions,

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I'm not in the shot

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and they're never gonna hear
my voice.

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Oh, boy. OK.

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WOMAN: The first
word that I would use to
describe Jeffrey Epstein

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other than a predator
is 'mysterious'.

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How did he become so wealthy?

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How did he ingratiate
himself into the exact
right social circles?

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How did he get away without
being caught for so long?

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(GIRLS LAUGH)

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WOMAN: I never
could have anticipated

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how diabolical
Jeffrey Epstein was.

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MAN: There's something
deeply fucked up with you.

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At least something.

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We know there are things
deeply fucked up

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you will get through
in this film, right?

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MAN: Where I come from
you don't kill my brother

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and walk away from that.

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What are the Epstein files?

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WOMAN: The Epstein files
are all the information
that the government has

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regarding Jeffrey Epstein
and his co-conspirators.

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MAN: Photographic evidence,
interviews of victims.

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MAN 2: Emails written to him,

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text messages.

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MAN 3: Court
documents, FBI reports.

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And it is much more expansive
than you had ever even imagined.

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MAN 4: People want to see names.

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They want to know
who the sex traffickers are.

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They want to know who
the paedophiles are

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and they want vengeance.

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WOMAN: Do you know the names
of powerful people

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who have not yet
been named publicly?

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Yes.

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Congressman Khanna!
Hello, I'm Grace Tobin...

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Nice to see you.
...from Australia.

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Why do you think
it's a fight that has united

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a very divided
political spectrum here?

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You can't rape underage girls.

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You can't cover that up.

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MAN: Trump opened
up Pandora's box.

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He thought that he could crack
it open slightly and shut it.

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But the curse
is not going back into the box.

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WOMAN: I don't understand why
the President fought it so hard.

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Releasing the Epstein files
is about revealing

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all of that dirty, nasty,
horrible things that happened.

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Why would he cover this up?

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MAN: I think he's protecting
rich and powerful men

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who participated
in sex trafficking.

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REPORTER: 3 million pages,

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180,000 images.

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The latest dump
from the Epstein files

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after weeks of
political pressure.

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That moment
created global shock waves.

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REPORTER: A day of extreme
jeopardy for Sir Keir Starmer.

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REPORTER 2: Norway's
Crown Princess is
facing intense scrutiny.

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REPORTER 3: Extraordinary news
out of the UK.

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The former Prince Andrew
has been arrested.

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WOMAN: The Epstein files
are part of the Epstein story.

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You have to understand how
the Epstein files fit in

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to what Epstein was doing,

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and the failures of the US
government in doing their job.

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WOMAN: The Epstein story
has one man at its centre,

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one spider in the
centre of the web.

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But that web could not
have been constructed

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without complicity.

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Do you think
you're the devil himself?

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No. But I do have a good mirror.

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NEWSREADER: We are going to turn
now to the debate in Washington

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over the release
of the Jeffrey Epstein files.

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Today, a group of survivors
of the Epstein controversy

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will be here on Capitol Hill.

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Urgent new calls for
transparency from
Epstein survivors,

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24 of whom are now
re-upping their demand

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that Congress release
all of the Epstein files.

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WOMAN: It's an
honour to stand here

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for something America
is finally united on -

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the immediate release
of the entire Epstein files.

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There's approximately
1,200 women that were
victims of Jeffrey Epstein

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and they say other men.

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They've wanted justice and
they fought very hard for it.

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WOMAN: We are more than victims.

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We are mothers, daughters,
sisters, friends.

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And we will not be erased.

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MAN: Some of these women
have been at this 20 years.

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Some of them had, I believe,
almost given up.

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But the fact that they
were invited to the capital
of the United States

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to speak truth to power,

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and that every media outlet,

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you know, showed up, they're
renewed in their efforts.

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This is me when I met
Jeffrey Epstein in 1991.

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This is me when I met
Jeffrey Epstein.

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A lot of us, it was
the first time that we
had spoken publicly.

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My name is Dani Bensky.
This was me at 17 years old.

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So we were just kind of standing
in solidarity with each other

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and saying to the world,

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like, "There's more of us
than you thought."

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My name is Marina Lacerda.
I was minor victim one.

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My name is Gena-Lisa Jones
and I was only 14 years old.

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My name is Chauntae Davis.

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My name is Laura Bloom McGee.

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My name is Haley Robson.
My name is Anoushka De Georgiou.

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My name is Courtney Wild.
My name is Lisa Phillips.

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My name is Ashley Rubright

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and I am a survivor of Jeffrey
Epstein and Ghislaine Maxwell.

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When you're a survivor of abuse
from a serial predator,

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you just have this bond
with the other survivors.

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We understand each other
like nobody else can.

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WOMAN: It's been a tremendous
mountain to move to get here.

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{\an8}It took an incredible outcry
from the public,

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huge political will,

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and it took the blood, sweat
and tears of the survivors.

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And that's many, many tears
from the survivors to get here.

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So we're just heading in
to meet with Ashley Rubright,

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who is a survivor
of Jeffrey Epstein.

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And she's only just started
speaking out publicly

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about what happened to her.

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We're this house here.

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Hi, Ashley. How are you?
Good. How are you?

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It's nice to meet you.
So nice to meet you. Come in.

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Thank you so much for having us.
Of course.

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Oh, it's still very Christmassy
in here, isn't it?

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Yes.
(LAUGHS)

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When did you meet
Jeffrey Epstein?

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So it was about 2002 to 2003

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and I would have
been... about 15.

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I was going to
Summit Christian School.

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I was a cheerleader.

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I was in dance,
like jazz, hip-hop, ballet.

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Um, I was working
at a barbecue restaurant

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and one of my coworkers,

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{\an8}he asked me one day
in the restaurant

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{\an8}if I would like to give a man
a massage for $200.

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I thought about it for a second
and said, "Sure."

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I just remember pulling
into his house in Palm Beach.

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And we were led
into the kitchen.

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And then Sarah Kellen came in,
his assistant.

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Said it was time.

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Then Sarah, she's the one
that led me upstairs.

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I didn't look around.
I was just looking down.

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So all I remember was the pink
carpet on the spiral staircase.

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And she opened the door
and said, "Alright, I'll
be back in an hour."

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I was shocked when I walked
into the bathroom.

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But then I calmed myself down,
thinking,

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"Of course, he's naked because
that's how people get massages

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"and I should just
not be so shocked."

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He just kind of
laid on the table.

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And then he told me
how to massage him.

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Then he flipped over.

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That's... Things got...

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...really way more inappropriate
there.

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And he asked me to...

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...to take off my bra and...

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...to pull up my skirt

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and...

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He was touching himself
the whole time.

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I was just trying not to look.

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And he would grab me,

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grab my behind and...

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I was just trying to
not be there, you know,

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{\an8}at that time.

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{\an8}And...

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{\an8}...he finished and hopped up.

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{\an8}And...

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{\an8}...then Sarah came in
and led me back downstairs.

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I felt shocked.

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And then I remember...

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...trying to rationalise it.

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It had to have just been
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...thing that he just
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I did go back one more time.

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The second time, it escalated.

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I just remembered Jeffrey
bringing over a basket

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and asking me to pick
one and asking me if
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And...

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...he had me sit
on the bathroom floor

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and he sat on the edge
of the massage table.

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And I remember what happened.

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A basket of sex toys?
Yes.

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Thank you for saying that.
Yeah. That's OK.

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So this was 2000.

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And these are all just,
like, happy messages.

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I read some of my yearbooks

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and it was such
a drastic change.

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Right after Jeffrey,

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the messages, even my face.

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Everything had started
to just look darker.

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This one says, "We had fun
when you're not so mad."

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or, "You're sweet
when you're not mad." Yeah.

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{\an8}I was angry, and I...

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{\an8}...I didn't care who got
the brunt of it, at all.

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Yeah.

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I stopped cheerleading,
I stopped dance.

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And I kind of went from, like...

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...trying to do good
to just not caring.

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Did you tell anyone
what happened to you?

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Just my friend Sean

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but nobody else.

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I didn't think there was a story
to tell, really, you know?

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MAN: Mr Epstein, is it true you
were born January 20th, 1953?

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Yes.

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Where?
New York.

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Where in New York.
Brooklyn.

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Hey, Adam.
Hi, Grace.

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How are you?
Pleasure to meet you.

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Nice to meet you too. Thanks
so much for doing this with us.

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My pleasure, my pleasure.

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Adam, can you tell me
a bit about yourself?

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Well, I've been a legal
journalist for close
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and the Southern District of
New York was my long-time beat.

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So you see a lot of cases

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of national and
international significance
going into that court.

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And one of them just happened
to be Epstein's.

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We are in Coney Island.

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Coney Island, Brooklyn.

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We're right near
where Jeffrey Epstein grew up.

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And this is actually
the Sea Gate community

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in the distance right there,

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Jeffrey Epstein's
childhood home.

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Jeffrey Epstein had
a modest upbringing

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in an immigrant community
in Brooklyn.

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His father worked at the New
York City Parks Department.

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His mother worked at a school.

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And he had a younger brother,
Mark.

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He had a lifelong fascination
with math

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and by all accounts,
was pretty good at it.

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This is The Dalton Prep School.

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It is where he
got his first job.

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Even though he was
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his first job was at
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where he was a math teacher.

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One of the parents of a student

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introduced him to
the CEO of Bear Stearns,

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a man named Ace Greenberg,

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where he got his first job
on Wall Street.

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(GENERAL STOCK MARKET CHATTER)

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We are on Wall Street,

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where Jeffrey Epstein
made his fortune.

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He was, by all accounts,
very charming.

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Jeffrey Epstein tried to,
throughout his life,

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make connections with people
with money and power.

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He was able to get people
to trust him very quickly.

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He won the trust of billionaires
like Leslie Wexner,

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who gave him power of attorney.

249
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He won the trust of Leon Black,

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who paid him
hundreds of millions of dollars,

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far above the market rate.

252
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And from there, uh,
there is a lot of mystery,

253
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but we're getting a picture
more and more

254
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of him finagling people,

255
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uh, wheeling and dealing,

256
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and ultimately became
fabulously wealthy.

257
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This is Jeffrey Epstein's Upper
East Side townhouse mansion

258
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and the famous, uh,
lantern over the door.

259
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He had a massage room in there.

260
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He had the dining room,
where he entertained.

261
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I mean, the photos
really do tell the story.

262
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Jeffrey Epstein met Ghislaine
Maxwell in the early 1990s.

263
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As the daughter of a media
tycoon, with a British accent,

264
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she brought something that
Jeffrey Epstein didn't have -

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access to the elite.

266
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Have you got drinks?

267
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They socialised with politicians

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with big names in academia,
finance, you name it.

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Whether it was the man known
at the time as Prince Andrew.

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Or whether it was
former president Bill Clinton.

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He had his private island
in the US Virgin Islands,

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a ranch outside of Santa Fe,

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property in Palm Beach

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and in Paris.

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He was flaunting his
jet-setting lifestyle
and his massive wealth.

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JEFFREY EPSTEIN: Look at me
like you love me.

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I can't wait.

278
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OK, so now I'm walking towards

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the lily pond.

280
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I'm here on the beach by myself.

281
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This is my swimming
pool - my beach.

282
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No-one's allowed to dock here.

283
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The luncheon place.

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The nursery.

285
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At the point there
is the library.

286
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PHILLIPS: It's an honour
to stand here again

287
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for something
America is finally united on.

288
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The immediate release
of the entire Epstein files.

289
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So these are just
my modelling pictures.

290
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Mm-hm.
Like, when I started out.

291
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This is when I was 17.

292
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I would send these to modelling
agencies to get started.

293
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I was a fashion
model in New York,

294
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had worked my way up
since I was 15 or 16 years old.

295
00:19:42,636 --> 00:19:45,055
So this was from the actual week
I met Jeffrey.

296
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Ah.

297
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The year 2000 and I had booked,
like, a really big job.

298
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Our agent at the time, Jeff,
sent us to Tortola

299
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on the Caribbean Sea.

300
00:19:59,023 --> 00:20:00,691
Tortola was a small island.

301
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There was really not that much
to do there.

302
00:20:02,817 --> 00:20:05,862
So the other model was
like, "You know, we have
a free day tomorrow."

303
00:20:05,862 --> 00:20:09,448
She suggested we
go see her friend, you
know, Jeffrey Epstein,

304
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that owned an island nearby.

305
00:20:12,784 --> 00:20:15,035
Yeah, we were both,
like maybe 22 years old.

306
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Spent the day just,
like, playing in the
pool, in the ocean.

307
00:20:19,705 --> 00:20:23,750
And there I met
two other young blonde girls.

308
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Went to dinner that evening,
and I met Jeffrey Epstein.

309
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He was laser focused on me

310
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and asking so many questions
about my childhood

311
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and my dreams and aspirations.

312
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I had told him in that time
that we had shared on the island

313
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that I wanted to
be a Ford model,

314
00:20:42,722 --> 00:20:45,350
and I kind of built up
this trust with this man.

315
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Getting ready to go to
sleep, there just was
a knock at the door,

316
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and one of the other young girls
poked her head in and was like,

317
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"Jeffrey's ready
for his massage now."

318
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And I'm just like, "OK, well,
you go ahead, I'm going to bed."

319
00:20:59,402 --> 00:21:03,029
And she was just like,
"No, he said for you
to give the massage."

320
00:21:05,407 --> 00:21:07,533
Long story short,
like, I just had to go.

321
00:21:09,785 --> 00:21:14,038
And so I experienced, you know,
sexual abuse that evening, um,

322
00:21:14,038 --> 00:21:17,958
from Jeffrey and the other girl
that was there.

323
00:21:39,765 --> 00:21:42,684
I think when you're younger,
you always blame yourself.

324
00:21:42,809 --> 00:21:44,644
Like, "What did I do?
Was I flirting with this guy?"

325
00:21:44,769 --> 00:21:47,730
Like, I went home and
I wanted nothing to do
with him after that.

326
00:21:48,897 --> 00:21:51,983
And a few months had passed
and he called me.

327
00:21:55,027 --> 00:21:58,613
A lot of my modelling castings
would be here in Soho.

328
00:21:58,613 --> 00:22:00,656
Right up here, when I was
walking, right up here

329
00:22:00,781 --> 00:22:02,824
was where I got the call
from Jeffrey.

330
00:22:02,824 --> 00:22:07,286
He was very brief and to the
point that he had remembered,

331
00:22:07,286 --> 00:22:09,747
you know, my goals and ambitions
that I told him on the island -

332
00:22:09,747 --> 00:22:12,498
that I wanted to be a Ford
model, big dream of mine,

333
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and that he knew the owner
of the Ford Modelling Agency

334
00:22:15,459 --> 00:22:17,753
and for me to go over there
and meet with her.

335
00:22:18,961 --> 00:22:20,379
And I was just thinking,

336
00:22:20,504 --> 00:22:23,298
whatever happened to me
on the island wasn't good,

337
00:22:23,298 --> 00:22:25,383
but maybe he was trying
to make up for it,

338
00:22:25,508 --> 00:22:28,218
you know, by saying,
"I remember your goal,

339
00:22:28,218 --> 00:22:29,845
"well, I can help you out."

340
00:22:30,845 --> 00:22:32,305
During that time,

341
00:22:32,305 --> 00:22:35,349
were you ever abused
by Epstein again

342
00:22:35,474 --> 00:22:38,518
or any men in his orbit?

343
00:22:38,643 --> 00:22:40,686
So, yeah, I was
abused by him again.

344
00:22:40,686 --> 00:22:42,854
And through his connections

345
00:22:42,854 --> 00:22:45,732
where he would sent me
on auditions and things.

346
00:22:45,857 --> 00:22:49,109
But back then, I wasn't aware
that I was trafficked.

347
00:22:51,527 --> 00:22:55,614
Can you explain a bit more
about how the trafficking
operation worked?

348
00:22:55,614 --> 00:22:58,450
Well, auditions are castings
by Epstein.

349
00:22:58,450 --> 00:23:00,159
So it's like,
"Oh, let me just send you.

350
00:23:00,159 --> 00:23:03,119
"My friend is casting
a really big film right now."

351
00:23:03,119 --> 00:23:04,788
And you're sent somewhere

352
00:23:04,788 --> 00:23:08,040
where all of a sudden
you're propositioned for sex

353
00:23:08,165 --> 00:23:11,626
and the people around you
are enforcing it.

354
00:23:14,379 --> 00:23:15,879
Just thought it
was the business.

355
00:23:16,004 --> 00:23:18,964
Just thought I was going to a
casting and audition, working,

356
00:23:18,964 --> 00:23:22,343
and that's kind of how some of
the older men were, just creepy.

357
00:23:22,343 --> 00:23:25,845
And I never connected it
to a more nefarious ring

358
00:23:25,845 --> 00:23:28,889
that involved modelling agencies
and Epstein.

359
00:23:30,432 --> 00:23:34,394
There were hundreds of
girls from these Eastern
European countries

360
00:23:34,394 --> 00:23:36,937
sent to Paris, sent to New York.

361
00:23:36,937 --> 00:23:40,022
You know, they were doing quite
abusive things to these models.

362
00:23:41,357 --> 00:23:43,566
It was like a
well-oiled machine.

363
00:23:46,403 --> 00:23:49,029
Fast forward a few years later,

364
00:23:49,029 --> 00:23:53,741
I had a girlfriend who was also
involved in this Epstein world.

365
00:23:54,783 --> 00:23:56,743
She had came to me one evening
and said that

366
00:23:56,743 --> 00:23:58,786
Jeffrey had made
her go into a room,

367
00:23:58,911 --> 00:24:01,330
made to go have
sex with somebody

368
00:24:01,330 --> 00:24:05,250
and so she at that
time was scared.

369
00:24:05,375 --> 00:24:07,459
I became scared,
and we kind of...

370
00:24:07,459 --> 00:24:09,586
...both kind of moved out
of New York at that time

371
00:24:09,586 --> 00:24:12,755
and I never saw him again after
that 'cause I was scared.

372
00:24:21,887 --> 00:24:26,016
KLASFELD: Jeffrey
Epstein's trail of sexual
abuse happened globally.

373
00:24:27,599 --> 00:24:32,854
However, Palm Beach
was the centre, in many
ways, of the sexual abuse

374
00:24:32,979 --> 00:24:36,273
and where his crimes
were originally investigated.

375
00:24:42,611 --> 00:24:47,656
Hey there. We're just
driving around Palm Beach.

376
00:24:47,781 --> 00:24:49,575
Is there any way to get through
or no?

377
00:24:49,575 --> 00:24:51,034
No, not...
Is this closed?

378
00:24:51,034 --> 00:24:53,578
Yeah. OK. Alright.
Just wanted to check.

379
00:24:53,578 --> 00:24:55,329
Why is it closed?

380
00:24:55,454 --> 00:24:58,081
Because Trump's in town.

381
00:25:02,751 --> 00:25:05,003
So I'm Holly Baltz.

382
00:25:05,128 --> 00:25:10,257
I'm a retired investigations
editor from the Palm Beach Post.

383
00:25:10,257 --> 00:25:12,050
Just newly retired.

384
00:25:13,384 --> 00:25:18,638
We, as in the Post, covered
Epstein from the very beginning.

385
00:25:21,307 --> 00:25:27,603
I never could have anticipated
how big this case got to be.

386
00:25:29,980 --> 00:25:33,316
Palm Beach Police first started
investigating Jeffrey Epstein

387
00:25:33,316 --> 00:25:37,152
{\an8}when the stepmother
of a ninth grader

388
00:25:37,152 --> 00:25:39,195
{\an8}at Royal Palm Beach High School
reported

389
00:25:39,320 --> 00:25:43,823
that a wealthy man had molested
her daughter in March of 2005.

390
00:25:45,450 --> 00:25:47,701
This is the east/west route

391
00:25:47,701 --> 00:25:50,828
that goes past
Royal Palm Beach High School.

392
00:25:52,789 --> 00:25:55,666
You know, it wasn't just
the one girl.

393
00:25:56,958 --> 00:26:01,921
Police found that a number
of victims were recruited here.

394
00:26:04,631 --> 00:26:07,341
They started
interviewing more girls,

395
00:26:07,466 --> 00:26:10,760
and every time they did, it was
like peeling back an onion.

396
00:26:23,353 --> 00:26:27,147
Not only were the girls getting
sexually abused themselves,

397
00:26:27,147 --> 00:26:31,025
but he also offered to pay them
if they'd bring their friends.

398
00:26:31,025 --> 00:26:34,362
Um, and these were girls
who didn't have a lot of money.

399
00:26:37,948 --> 00:26:41,867
KLASFELD: During
Jeffrey Epstein's first
criminal investigation,

400
00:26:41,993 --> 00:26:45,370
many of the survivors
started finding lawyers

401
00:26:45,495 --> 00:26:50,623
who were willing to bring
their stories forward
and file lawsuits.

402
00:26:50,623 --> 00:26:54,835
MAN: I first got involved
in the Epstein matter
back in about 2006.

403
00:26:56,211 --> 00:27:00,673
I was working at a litigation
firm here in Palm Beach County

404
00:27:00,673 --> 00:27:04,551
and a young girl walked
into our office with her parents

405
00:27:04,551 --> 00:27:09,430
and told a crazy story about
a rich man on Palm Beach Island

406
00:27:09,430 --> 00:27:11,431
that had paid her about $200

407
00:27:11,556 --> 00:27:13,349
to go to the home
and give him a massage

408
00:27:13,349 --> 00:27:16,393
that turned into a
sexually explicit and
inappropriate massage.

409
00:27:17,686 --> 00:27:19,770
Initially,
I didn't quite believe her,

410
00:27:19,770 --> 00:27:22,481
to be perfectly honest,
it sounded pretty incredible.

411
00:27:22,481 --> 00:27:25,233
But once I interviewed
the police detective

412
00:27:25,233 --> 00:27:27,234
that was conducting
the investigation,

413
00:27:27,234 --> 00:27:28,736
I realised that this was real.

414
00:27:30,862 --> 00:27:33,656
Michael Reiter was the chief
of police back at the time.

415
00:27:33,656 --> 00:27:36,199
And Joe Recarey was
the lead investigator.

416
00:27:39,410 --> 00:27:40,578
Correct?

417
00:27:40,578 --> 00:27:42,330
{\an8}OK. You were like the houseman?

418
00:27:45,624 --> 00:27:47,082
What can you tell me about that?

419
00:27:52,962 --> 00:27:55,255
So he can massage in
the morning, massage
in the afternoon.

420
00:27:55,380 --> 00:27:56,715
And besides that...

421
00:27:58,050 --> 00:27:59,216
OK.

422
00:27:59,216 --> 00:28:00,760
And actually...

423
00:28:04,137 --> 00:28:07,556
BALTZ: As police officers
gathered the evidence,

424
00:28:07,556 --> 00:28:11,851
Epstein put together
a huge team of...

425
00:28:11,851 --> 00:28:14,645
It was like a dream team.

426
00:28:14,770 --> 00:28:17,564
All really well-known attorneys

427
00:28:17,564 --> 00:28:21,359
and attorneys who,
uh, were very aggressive.

428
00:28:23,818 --> 00:28:26,987
KUVIN: It is widely
reported that Jeffrey
Epstein and his legal team

429
00:28:26,987 --> 00:28:30,407
had some of the victims
followed by blacked-out SUVs,

430
00:28:30,407 --> 00:28:34,160
uh, you know, showed...
showing up at their houses.

431
00:28:34,285 --> 00:28:37,371
But they were also investigating
the lead investigator, Joe.

432
00:28:37,371 --> 00:28:39,288
And I asked to meet him.

433
00:28:40,915 --> 00:28:43,667
So he picked a Starbucks
in downtown West Palm Beach.

434
00:28:43,792 --> 00:28:45,961
And when I sat down and
I started talking to him,

435
00:28:46,086 --> 00:28:48,295
his head was on a swivel
and he kept looking around.

436
00:28:48,420 --> 00:28:50,464
And I said, "What are you...
what are you doing?"

437
00:28:51,464 --> 00:28:53,841
And I'll never forget,
he looks at me and he says,

438
00:28:53,967 --> 00:28:57,803
"You have no idea
what they're doing to me."

439
00:28:57,928 --> 00:29:00,304
They had been digging
through his personal trash,

440
00:29:00,304 --> 00:29:01,639
and he said to me,

441
00:29:01,764 --> 00:29:05,225
"I've never seen this kind
of an operation before."

442
00:29:12,146 --> 00:29:17,067
But Palm Beach Police, they were
very dogged in pursuing Epstein.

443
00:29:17,067 --> 00:29:19,860
We're police officers
of Palm Beach County, Florida.

444
00:29:19,860 --> 00:29:22,113
They kept amassing victims.

445
00:29:22,238 --> 00:29:25,115
The premises occupied or under
the control of Jeffrey Epstein.

446
00:29:25,115 --> 00:29:27,449
White male. Date
of birth 1/20/53.

447
00:29:29,785 --> 00:29:33,204
KLASFELD: When the first
criminal investigation
of Jeffrey Epstein

448
00:29:33,329 --> 00:29:34,997
was going on,

449
00:29:35,122 --> 00:29:38,708
it had originally seemed like
something that could sustain

450
00:29:38,708 --> 00:29:41,335
an indictment with
dozens of counts,

451
00:29:41,335 --> 00:29:45,672
that Palm Beach Police were
building a very strong case.

452
00:29:45,797 --> 00:29:48,591
But when the entire case
was packaged up

453
00:29:48,591 --> 00:29:50,717
and given to the
state attorney...

454
00:29:51,968 --> 00:29:54,553
...the state attorney here
in Palm Beach at the time

455
00:29:54,553 --> 00:29:56,888
decided not to file charges.

456
00:29:56,888 --> 00:30:01,559
Chief of Police Michael
Reiter was so upset at
the lack of prosecution

457
00:30:01,559 --> 00:30:03,059
on the state level

458
00:30:03,059 --> 00:30:05,729
that he elevated this
to the federal level.

459
00:30:07,229 --> 00:30:11,316
BALTZ: The FBI was keen
to prosecute in the
beginning, for sure.

460
00:30:12,650 --> 00:30:16,570
And they found very much similar
things as Palm Beach Police,

461
00:30:16,695 --> 00:30:17,988
but new victims.

462
00:30:17,988 --> 00:30:23,909
And what came of that was
a draft indictment, 60 counts.

463
00:30:24,951 --> 00:30:27,870
However, this giant case
that Palm Beach Police

464
00:30:27,995 --> 00:30:30,705
spent so much time investigating

465
00:30:30,705 --> 00:30:33,833
pleaded down to
a slap-on-the-wrist plea deal

466
00:30:33,833 --> 00:30:37,502
after intense lobbying
by Jeffrey Epstein's lawyers.

467
00:30:38,920 --> 00:30:40,922
The charges
that they ended up bringing

468
00:30:40,922 --> 00:30:44,382
were solicitation
for prostitution of a minor.

469
00:30:44,507 --> 00:30:48,928
It's basically calling
these victims prostitutes.

470
00:30:48,928 --> 00:30:52,764
{\an8}The deal was approved
by then US attorney Alex Acosta

471
00:30:52,764 --> 00:30:55,557
and then kept secret
from the victims.

472
00:30:55,682 --> 00:30:59,143
And I think that
the sweetheart plea deal

473
00:30:59,143 --> 00:31:02,104
was, in many ways,
the original sin of this.

474
00:31:04,105 --> 00:31:06,857
KUVIN: It was one of the most
awful deals I've ever seen.

475
00:31:06,857 --> 00:31:11,528
There isn't a plea
deal before or since that
I've ever seen like this.

476
00:31:15,447 --> 00:31:20,201
It gave complete immunity
to not just Epstein,

477
00:31:20,201 --> 00:31:23,161
but it included
and not limited to

478
00:31:23,161 --> 00:31:26,664
potential co-conspirators
Sarah Kellen, Adriana Ross,

479
00:31:26,664 --> 00:31:29,416
Lesley Groff, and
Nadia Marcinkova.

480
00:31:29,416 --> 00:31:32,585
TOBIN: And so these
are some of the women who
helped recruit other girls?

481
00:31:32,585 --> 00:31:34,462
Yeah, in the sexual
pyramid scheme,

482
00:31:34,586 --> 00:31:36,797
these were the people that were
really at the third level,

483
00:31:36,797 --> 00:31:39,423
right below Ghislaine Maxwell.

484
00:31:41,926 --> 00:31:44,803
REPORTER: Jeffrey Epstein
went to jail just before
10:00 this morning.

485
00:31:44,803 --> 00:31:46,762
He pleaded guilty in open court.

486
00:31:46,887 --> 00:31:48,806
He agreed to serve
a total of 18 months

487
00:31:48,806 --> 00:31:50,391
in a Palm Beach
detention facility.

488
00:31:52,934 --> 00:31:55,727
People who commit sex crimes
against minors

489
00:31:55,727 --> 00:31:58,563
go to prison for
a very long time.

490
00:31:59,522 --> 00:32:01,274
Not Jeffrey Epstein.

491
00:32:01,399 --> 00:32:04,943
He was sentenced to
18 months in jail.

492
00:32:06,319 --> 00:32:11,281
He could get work release for 12
hours a day, six days a week.

493
00:32:12,490 --> 00:32:15,701
FREEMAN: He wound up
being in a cushy jail

494
00:32:15,701 --> 00:32:18,619
where he was the only person
in that wing.

495
00:32:20,329 --> 00:32:23,623
He could go out, go
to his office, take
a walk on the beach,

496
00:32:23,748 --> 00:32:25,792
do whatever he wanted
during the day.

497
00:32:25,792 --> 00:32:27,626
That's no kind of punishment.

498
00:32:29,086 --> 00:32:31,629
KUVIN: We had been litigating
against Epstein

499
00:32:31,754 --> 00:32:33,965
on behalf of one of my clients.

500
00:32:33,965 --> 00:32:37,009
He was being allowed out
during days.

501
00:32:37,134 --> 00:32:39,594
So we noticed Epstein
for deposition.

502
00:32:41,470 --> 00:32:44,347
Could you please give us
your name? Jeffrey Epstein.

503
00:32:44,472 --> 00:32:47,224
So I wanted him to realise
I didn't care who he was,

504
00:32:47,349 --> 00:32:49,602
what his power was,
what his status was,

505
00:32:49,602 --> 00:32:52,270
I was gonna ask him
the most embarrassing
possible thing I could.

506
00:32:53,521 --> 00:32:55,939
Is it true, sir, that, um...

507
00:32:57,232 --> 00:33:00,943
...you have what's been described
as an egg-shaped penis?

508
00:33:03,195 --> 00:33:06,198
He hears me ask the question,
watch him look at his lawyers,

509
00:33:06,198 --> 00:33:08,157
like, "Can you believe
he's asking me this?"

510
00:33:08,282 --> 00:33:11,201
MAN: And I'm going to give you
the first warning, Mr Kuvin.

511
00:33:11,326 --> 00:33:13,578
I had been the first lawyer
to ask him any questions

512
00:33:13,578 --> 00:33:15,829
in the cases that
had been filed.

513
00:33:15,829 --> 00:33:20,041
One witness described your penis
as oval-shaped,

514
00:33:20,166 --> 00:33:22,376
thin and small towards
the head portion.

515
00:33:22,376 --> 00:33:24,920
See, he's angry.
He's ready to walk out the door.

516
00:33:24,920 --> 00:33:27,171
And then he sees that the
attorneys are gonna talk.

517
00:33:27,296 --> 00:33:30,798
That serves no other purpose
other than embarrass Mr Epstein.

518
00:33:30,798 --> 00:33:33,092
It's just totally unethical.
It's improper.

519
00:33:33,218 --> 00:33:34,676
The purpose of that question is

520
00:33:34,676 --> 00:33:38,638
how could a 14-year-old
know what his private
part looked like?

521
00:33:38,638 --> 00:33:42,933
That question was
directly relevant to
the claims in the case.

522
00:33:42,933 --> 00:33:45,477
The deposition is terminated
at this point.

523
00:33:45,477 --> 00:33:47,978
OK. Thanks a lot. I
appreciate it. Thank you.

524
00:33:51,606 --> 00:33:53,775
Shortest deposition I've
ever taken. (LAUGHS)

525
00:33:53,775 --> 00:33:55,317
Ever.
Ever.

526
00:33:55,317 --> 00:33:58,528
Wow. So he probably is feeling
pretty confident at this point

527
00:33:58,653 --> 00:34:00,738
that he's gotten away with this.
Pretty much. Yeah.

528
00:34:00,738 --> 00:34:02,240
I mean, he had done his deal,

529
00:34:02,365 --> 00:34:04,324
and now he was just
getting through the civil cases,

530
00:34:04,449 --> 00:34:06,534
thinking that it was
all over and all done.

531
00:34:21,963 --> 00:34:25,840
NEWSREADER: A few steps,
a smile and a wave to
the deputy at the door.

532
00:34:25,966 --> 00:34:28,509
We watched Jeffrey Epstein
walk out of jail.

533
00:34:28,509 --> 00:34:32,637
Epstein served 13 months
of an 18-month sentence.

534
00:34:32,762 --> 00:34:34,763
MAN: He's very happy that
his jail sentence is over

535
00:34:34,888 --> 00:34:37,516
and he can begin
a new chapter in his life.

536
00:34:39,308 --> 00:34:41,727
KLASFELD: When Jeffrey Epstein
got out of jail,

537
00:34:41,727 --> 00:34:43,395
the fact that he was prosecuted,

538
00:34:43,395 --> 00:34:46,231
the fact that he was
a registered sex offender

539
00:34:46,356 --> 00:34:48,274
didn't seem to stand in the way

540
00:34:48,399 --> 00:34:53,403
of his re-entry into high
society, wealth and power.

541
00:34:56,196 --> 00:34:59,907
The power and influence he had
convinced a lot of people

542
00:35:00,032 --> 00:35:01,284
to look the other way.

543
00:35:02,285 --> 00:35:04,369
Prince Andrew looked
the other way.

544
00:35:06,329 --> 00:35:11,040
We also saw Bill Gates meeting
with Epstein, despite his past.

545
00:35:12,584 --> 00:35:15,169
WOMAN: He was some sort of
soothsayer, apparently,

546
00:35:15,169 --> 00:35:18,504
to a lot of these men
that were asking him for advice.

547
00:35:18,504 --> 00:35:22,133
I think that a lot of people
probably knew

548
00:35:22,258 --> 00:35:24,009
that everything
was not on the up and up,

549
00:35:24,134 --> 00:35:28,053
but for whatever reason,
they wanted to be a part
of his inner circle.

550
00:35:30,347 --> 00:35:35,976
I had a reporter who
was covering Epstein
every step of the way.

551
00:35:38,187 --> 00:35:41,063
It was difficult
to get people to pay attention.

552
00:35:42,564 --> 00:35:46,984
They felt like he had served
his time and there you go.

553
00:35:46,984 --> 00:35:49,737
Epstein's conviction
wasn't even a speed bump.

554
00:35:53,364 --> 00:35:55,741
I've been researching and
writing about child trafficking

555
00:35:55,866 --> 00:35:57,910
since 2002, 2003,

556
00:35:58,035 --> 00:36:00,620
and I had this intuition
that Jeffrey Epstein

557
00:36:00,620 --> 00:36:03,663
was very similar to the network
that I'd investigated,

558
00:36:03,788 --> 00:36:08,918
and I just felt that
something was seriously wrong.

559
00:36:08,918 --> 00:36:13,213
So in 2012, I went
down to Florida

560
00:36:13,213 --> 00:36:16,590
and I had the good fortune
of getting the black book.

561
00:36:20,676 --> 00:36:24,638
The black book is just a list
of Jeffrey Epstein's contacts.

562
00:36:26,097 --> 00:36:28,724
It has billionaires,

563
00:36:28,724 --> 00:36:30,725
some people in showbiz,

564
00:36:30,850 --> 00:36:32,477
captains of industry.

565
00:36:34,270 --> 00:36:38,689
Um, and multiple girls
were in the black book.

566
00:36:42,193 --> 00:36:44,694
I started talking
to some of the girls,

567
00:36:44,820 --> 00:36:49,198
and they told me that they'd
been flown here or flown there

568
00:36:49,198 --> 00:36:52,033
and then one told me that
she'd been flown to an island.

569
00:36:52,700 --> 00:36:54,660
So in 2012,

570
00:36:54,785 --> 00:36:58,913
I believed Jeffrey Epstein
was running a network.

571
00:36:59,038 --> 00:37:00,832
And I also had the flight logs.

572
00:37:02,166 --> 00:37:05,210
So were these
the flight logs just for
his private plane, then?

573
00:37:05,335 --> 00:37:06,211
Yes.

574
00:37:06,211 --> 00:37:08,963
Bill Clinton, Alan Dershowitz,

575
00:37:09,088 --> 00:37:11,422
Kevin Spacey, Larry Summers.

576
00:37:11,422 --> 00:37:13,383
I mean, there were a number
of very powerful people

577
00:37:13,383 --> 00:37:16,552
that were flying with
Jeffrey Epstein.

578
00:37:16,677 --> 00:37:20,471
And there were a number of girls
on the flight logs,

579
00:37:20,596 --> 00:37:24,850
and I assumed that
some of them were minors.

580
00:37:30,812 --> 00:37:33,440
I worked on getting that story
published for three years,

581
00:37:33,440 --> 00:37:38,235
and finally Gawker stepped up
and published my work.

582
00:37:41,279 --> 00:37:43,738
The mainstream media
just didn't want to embrace it.

583
00:37:48,617 --> 00:37:52,245
KLASFELD: After
that point, we would get
glimpses of information.

584
00:37:53,705 --> 00:37:58,333
Virginia Giuffre, one
of the Epstein survivors
from Palm Beach,

585
00:37:58,333 --> 00:38:02,461
had moved to Australia
after escaping Jeffrey Epstein.

586
00:38:02,461 --> 00:38:06,797
She claimed that she was
trafficked to then-Prince Andrew

587
00:38:06,922 --> 00:38:08,340
when she was a minor.

588
00:38:08,340 --> 00:38:10,301
She was 17 at the time.

589
00:38:10,301 --> 00:38:13,344
Can you tell me about
the photo that she provided

590
00:38:13,344 --> 00:38:17,431
to a newspaper in 2011?

591
00:38:17,431 --> 00:38:21,684
Virginia Giuffre had produced
a now infamous photograph

592
00:38:21,809 --> 00:38:23,935
of her, then-Prince Andrew

593
00:38:24,060 --> 00:38:26,104
and Ghislaine Maxwell.

594
00:38:27,396 --> 00:38:29,482
Andrew claimed
that it was a fake

595
00:38:29,607 --> 00:38:32,233
and denied criminal wrongdoing.

596
00:38:34,110 --> 00:38:35,277
BRYANT: Thing about Virginia is

597
00:38:35,277 --> 00:38:37,946
she'd been with Epstein
for a couple of years

598
00:38:37,946 --> 00:38:40,323
and he had taken her everyplace.

599
00:38:40,448 --> 00:38:44,034
So she was pretty knowledgeable
about his network

600
00:38:44,034 --> 00:38:47,536
and she was launching
civil suits,

601
00:38:47,536 --> 00:38:52,040
and she named Jeffrey
Epstein and Ghislaine
Maxwell as perpetrators

602
00:38:52,040 --> 00:38:53,541
who trafficked her

603
00:38:53,541 --> 00:38:55,584
to his rich and
powerful cronies.

604
00:38:57,628 --> 00:39:02,464
But she wasn't being taken
seriously by the media.

605
00:39:04,633 --> 00:39:09,011
Jeffrey Epstein very
aggressively bullied
media organisations

606
00:39:09,011 --> 00:39:11,471
that tried to look
under that rock.

607
00:39:14,681 --> 00:39:18,518
Things remained kind of dormant
for a number of years,

608
00:39:18,643 --> 00:39:21,521
until another story came out
of the Miami Herald

609
00:39:21,521 --> 00:39:24,439
and a reporter that went back
and looked at some of the deals

610
00:39:24,564 --> 00:39:26,565
that were struck
with Jeffrey Epstein.

611
00:39:27,983 --> 00:39:32,112
Julie Brown, her reporting
really opened up the case.

612
00:39:32,237 --> 00:39:33,780
One second.

613
00:39:35,155 --> 00:39:36,490
Oh, you're calling Julie?

614
00:39:36,615 --> 00:39:40,743
Good morning. How are you?
I'm wonderful.

615
00:39:40,868 --> 00:39:45,497
I have a very pleasant
Australian reporter
here in my office

616
00:39:45,497 --> 00:39:49,250
uh, that would like
to chat with you

617
00:39:49,375 --> 00:39:51,167
if you could give her time.

618
00:39:51,292 --> 00:39:52,168
Hang on.
OK.

619
00:39:52,168 --> 00:39:54,003
Hi, Julie.

620
00:39:54,129 --> 00:39:55,587
I've been contacted by a lot
of people...

621
00:39:55,712 --> 00:39:58,382
Yeah, I can imagine. ..hard
to keep it straight but...

622
00:39:58,382 --> 00:39:59,590
Yeah.

623
00:39:59,590 --> 00:40:02,343
Yeah, give me a call. But
this week is not a good week.

624
00:40:02,343 --> 00:40:06,346
So we can talk about it later.
OK. Yeah, sure.

625
00:40:20,356 --> 00:40:22,816
Hey, Julie. I'm so glad
we could make this happen.

626
00:40:22,941 --> 00:40:24,609
Yes.
(BOTH CHUCKLE)

627
00:40:25,569 --> 00:40:27,737
Persistence pays off, right?
Yep. It's OK.

628
00:40:27,862 --> 00:40:30,613
Especially since you
were willing to come all
the way to Philadelphia.

629
00:40:30,613 --> 00:40:32,657
I thought, "Oh, my God.
This girl's never gonna give up.

630
00:40:32,782 --> 00:40:34,616
"I might as well
just get it over with."

631
00:40:36,577 --> 00:40:39,954
Tell me how you came to
investigate Jeffrey Epstein.

632
00:40:39,954 --> 00:40:44,207
Well, I started
investigating it right
before the election in 2016.

633
00:40:45,792 --> 00:40:49,253
Most journalists in
America knew, you know,

634
00:40:49,378 --> 00:40:51,713
something about
the Jeffrey Epstein case,

635
00:40:51,713 --> 00:40:54,382
especially Epstein's
sweetheart deal.

636
00:40:54,506 --> 00:40:56,341
Very lenient plea deal.

637
00:40:56,341 --> 00:40:58,509
And there was a lot of stories
about,

638
00:40:58,509 --> 00:41:01,721
"How did he get this deal?
This doesn't make any sense."

639
00:41:01,721 --> 00:41:05,348
But nothing that I could find
really showed me

640
00:41:05,348 --> 00:41:07,516
how he got away with this crime.

641
00:41:07,516 --> 00:41:10,311
And so I just started
requesting the records,

642
00:41:10,435 --> 00:41:13,229
not knowing
where it was going to lead me.

643
00:41:13,354 --> 00:41:16,857
Somehow, I got a list
of almost a hundred victims.

644
00:41:18,358 --> 00:41:23,195
In the end, I had like
four victims that were
willing to go and talk.

645
00:41:23,320 --> 00:41:25,280
And in the middle
when I was doing that,

646
00:41:25,280 --> 00:41:30,658
Trump nominated Alexander Acosta
to be Labor secretary.

647
00:41:30,658 --> 00:41:34,287
I want to thank President Trump
for the privilege of serving.

648
00:41:34,287 --> 00:41:37,372
Acosta was the US
Attorney in Miami

649
00:41:37,498 --> 00:41:40,291
that signed off
on Epstein's sweetheart deal.

650
00:41:40,291 --> 00:41:42,751
I, Alexander Acosta,
do solemnly swear...

651
00:41:42,751 --> 00:41:47,588
So then I pitched a story
that we would go to the victims

652
00:41:47,588 --> 00:41:51,466
and ask them, you know,
what they think about the man

653
00:41:51,466 --> 00:41:53,676
that let their predator
off the hook,

654
00:41:53,676 --> 00:41:55,552
who is now, by
the way, in charge

655
00:41:55,552 --> 00:41:59,222
of one of the largest government
agencies in the country

656
00:41:59,222 --> 00:42:01,682
with oversight
of human trafficking.

657
00:42:03,350 --> 00:42:05,227
It was a high pressure story

658
00:42:05,227 --> 00:42:07,603
because it involved
a lot of important people.

659
00:42:07,603 --> 00:42:12,023
It was going to be put online
very early in the morning,

660
00:42:12,023 --> 00:42:15,693
so we sort of braced ourselves,
I guess you could say.

661
00:42:15,693 --> 00:42:18,861
And at the time that morning,
there was a funny story

662
00:42:18,861 --> 00:42:20,405
that was at the top
of our leaderboard.

663
00:42:20,530 --> 00:42:22,447
My story was at the very bottom.

664
00:42:22,572 --> 00:42:25,700
And so I packed everything up. I
thought, "That's it for the day.

665
00:42:25,826 --> 00:42:28,828
"You know, I'm going to take
the day off."

666
00:42:28,953 --> 00:42:31,538
And I was getting all ready
and another reporter said to me,

667
00:42:31,538 --> 00:42:33,164
"Julie, look at this story."

668
00:42:33,164 --> 00:42:35,791
And it was going
boom, boom, boom.

669
00:42:36,875 --> 00:42:39,335
We are going to begin
with a much closer look

670
00:42:39,335 --> 00:42:41,921
at the disturbing case
of Jeffrey Epstein.

671
00:42:42,046 --> 00:42:44,464
Joining me this morning is
Julie Brown of the Miami Herald.

672
00:42:44,464 --> 00:42:46,966
Investigative reporter behind
the Miami Herald expose...

673
00:42:47,091 --> 00:42:49,301
Julie Brown, let me ask you,
set the scene for us.

674
00:42:51,678 --> 00:42:55,013
KUVIN: This story uncovered
this underbelly of society,

675
00:42:55,139 --> 00:42:56,598
of the rich and powerful

676
00:42:56,724 --> 00:43:00,309
and what they were doing to
people who were less powerful.

677
00:43:00,309 --> 00:43:02,561
KLASFELD: The
Miami Herald series

678
00:43:02,561 --> 00:43:05,605
drops in November 2018.

679
00:43:09,233 --> 00:43:14,195
{\an8}It had such an impact that by
July of the following year,

680
00:43:14,195 --> 00:43:18,573
Jeffrey Epstein is arrested and
charged with sex trafficking.

681
00:43:20,658 --> 00:43:22,909
REPORTER: Billionaire Jeffrey
Epstein has been arrested

682
00:43:22,909 --> 00:43:26,037
for alleged sex trafficking
of young girls,

683
00:43:26,037 --> 00:43:29,165
and agents have been coming in
and out of his Manhattan mansion

684
00:43:29,290 --> 00:43:30,582
all morning.

685
00:43:30,582 --> 00:43:32,250
MAN: Epstein is charged
in a two-count indictment.

686
00:43:32,375 --> 00:43:35,294
First - conspiracy
to commit sex trafficking

687
00:43:35,419 --> 00:43:38,005
and second, sex trafficking
of underage girls,

688
00:43:38,130 --> 00:43:41,758
beginning in at least 2002
and continuing until 2005

689
00:43:41,883 --> 00:43:45,093
at his mansion in New York
and in Palm Beach, Florida.

690
00:43:46,178 --> 00:43:50,139
I'm not going into any dealings
with main justice,

691
00:43:50,139 --> 00:43:51,639
I will say that we were assisted

692
00:43:51,639 --> 00:43:54,142
from some excellent
investigative journalism.

693
00:43:56,101 --> 00:43:58,312
BROWN: I just got a call
from the news desk saying,

694
00:43:58,312 --> 00:44:00,188
{\an8}"We just got something
over the wire

695
00:44:00,313 --> 00:44:02,397
{\an8}"that said that Epstein's
been arrested."

696
00:44:02,397 --> 00:44:04,483
{\an8}I was like, oh, you know,
it was incredible.

697
00:44:04,483 --> 00:44:06,609
{\an8}I was just... I
couldn't believe it.

698
00:44:08,736 --> 00:44:10,862
Hi, Mark. It's Grace Tobin.

699
00:44:10,862 --> 00:44:14,032
Thanks so much for taking
the time to talk to me today.

700
00:44:14,157 --> 00:44:15,157
Sure.

701
00:44:15,282 --> 00:44:16,784
When your brother was arrested,

702
00:44:16,784 --> 00:44:19,952
can you tell me what that
was like, that moment?

703
00:44:19,952 --> 00:44:25,207
Jeffrey gets arrested, you know,
we spoke the night before.

704
00:44:25,332 --> 00:44:26,791
He called me from Paris.

705
00:44:26,791 --> 00:44:29,502
Just a normal, you know, "What's
new? How you doing?" call.

706
00:44:29,502 --> 00:44:32,670
And then he flies home the
next day and he gets arrested.

707
00:44:34,255 --> 00:44:39,425
BROWN: I wanted
to be at his first court
appearance the next day.

708
00:44:40,802 --> 00:44:43,637
He looked like such a small man.

709
00:44:43,637 --> 00:44:47,848
You know, small, frail,
you know, human being.

710
00:44:47,848 --> 00:44:51,893
Um, just looked
lost, quite frankly.

711
00:44:52,018 --> 00:44:54,687
I don't think he ever thought
he was going to be rearrested.

712
00:44:54,687 --> 00:44:56,730
REPORTER: Now, yesterday,
we were there in court.

713
00:44:56,855 --> 00:44:58,982
His attorneys are arguing
that Epstein struck a deal

714
00:44:59,107 --> 00:45:02,484
with federal prosecutors
in Florida over similar crimes,

715
00:45:02,484 --> 00:45:04,987
granting him immunity
after he pleaded guilty

716
00:45:04,987 --> 00:45:06,987
to a lesser charge.

717
00:45:06,987 --> 00:45:10,532
The US attorney who struck
that deal is Alexander Acosta.

718
00:45:11,992 --> 00:45:15,202
BROWN: At that point,
the media started in
Washington asking Trump,

719
00:45:15,202 --> 00:45:18,913
"What's going to happen
with Alexander Acosta?"

720
00:45:19,038 --> 00:45:20,248
Good afternoon.

721
00:45:20,248 --> 00:45:24,543
And I remember that Acosta
did have a press conference.

722
00:45:24,543 --> 00:45:28,879
We believe that
we proceeded appropriately.

723
00:45:30,298 --> 00:45:35,426
There was value to
getting a guilty plea and
having him registered.

724
00:45:35,551 --> 00:45:37,469
Thank you very much. Thank you.

725
00:45:39,429 --> 00:45:42,265
BROWN: And I just remember
listening to him,

726
00:45:42,389 --> 00:45:45,350
thinking, "These
are all excuses.

727
00:45:45,350 --> 00:45:47,143
"They don't work anymore."

728
00:45:48,519 --> 00:45:50,229
And apparently it didn't work

729
00:45:50,353 --> 00:45:54,565
because he then,
um, you know, resigned.

730
00:45:54,565 --> 00:45:56,942
And so I called the President
this morning.

731
00:45:57,067 --> 00:46:01,029
I told him that I thought the
right thing was to step aside.

732
00:46:01,029 --> 00:46:02,071
(REPORTERS CLAMOUR)

733
00:46:02,071 --> 00:46:03,739
FREEMAN: Finally, it seemed like
the government

734
00:46:03,739 --> 00:46:05,782
was actually taking
this seriously

735
00:46:05,907 --> 00:46:08,993
by charging Epstein
with serious crimes,

736
00:46:09,118 --> 00:46:10,869
sex trafficking.

737
00:46:10,869 --> 00:46:14,580
And after that,
other victims started to
realise, "I'm not alone."

738
00:46:17,833 --> 00:46:21,252
RUBRIGHT: When he was arrested,
a lot of us were happy

739
00:46:21,377 --> 00:46:25,631
that there was a second
chance for possibly
some actual justice,

740
00:46:25,631 --> 00:46:28,758
because what happened in 2008
wasn't justice

741
00:46:28,883 --> 00:46:30,925
or him being held accountable.

742
00:46:30,925 --> 00:46:33,720
And at that point,

743
00:46:33,720 --> 00:46:37,890
{\an8}I reached out to the FBI
and I was like, uh...

744
00:46:39,015 --> 00:46:40,933
{\an8}..."Here's another one
of us," you know?

745
00:46:40,933 --> 00:46:45,771
Um, "And I-I want to be
a part of bringing him down."

746
00:47:00,948 --> 00:47:03,075
KLASFELD: Jeffrey Epstein
was staying at

747
00:47:03,075 --> 00:47:05,077
the rather notorious prison

748
00:47:05,077 --> 00:47:08,913
where people await trial
on serious offences

749
00:47:08,913 --> 00:47:11,081
in the Southern District
of New York.

750
00:47:13,124 --> 00:47:15,918
MAN: The Metropolitan
Correctional Centre in Manhattan

751
00:47:15,918 --> 00:47:18,544
is an environment completely
foreign to Jeffrey Epstein.

752
00:47:21,214 --> 00:47:22,964
The conditions were filthy.

753
00:47:23,090 --> 00:47:26,134
Rodents, cockroaches
all over the place.

754
00:47:27,176 --> 00:47:28,427
I agreed to represent him

755
00:47:28,427 --> 00:47:30,553
and I met with him.

756
00:47:31,680 --> 00:47:33,807
But just before that,
there was this incident

757
00:47:33,807 --> 00:47:35,474
in which there was a suggestion

758
00:47:35,474 --> 00:47:36,976
that he tried to commit suicide.

759
00:47:38,269 --> 00:47:40,478
REPORTER: The multi-millionaire
and convicted sex offender

760
00:47:40,603 --> 00:47:44,982
is now on suicide
watch after he was found
injured in his jail cell.

761
00:47:46,108 --> 00:47:48,442
SCHOEN: I met with Jeffrey
Epstein on August 1st

762
00:47:48,442 --> 00:47:50,194
for about five or six hours.

763
00:47:50,194 --> 00:47:53,738
He denied that he had
tried to commit suicide.

764
00:47:54,780 --> 00:47:57,157
The story that he told
about what had happened

765
00:47:57,157 --> 00:47:58,700
was that the cellmate he had

766
00:47:58,825 --> 00:48:00,535
forced him
to put a rope around his neck,

767
00:48:00,535 --> 00:48:02,703
something, and pulled it, um,

768
00:48:02,828 --> 00:48:04,663
just to see the reaction
Epstein would have.

769
00:48:06,580 --> 00:48:08,749
But he told the
correctional officers

770
00:48:08,749 --> 00:48:10,291
that he couldn't remember
what had happened

771
00:48:10,291 --> 00:48:12,877
because he was afraid
if he got that guy in trouble,

772
00:48:13,003 --> 00:48:15,004
that he would have
trouble himself.

773
00:48:16,463 --> 00:48:19,674
TOBIN: How was Jeffrey
Epstein's mood that
day when you look back?

774
00:48:19,799 --> 00:48:23,051
{\an8}Good. I mean, he, again, he
didn't like being in the jail.

775
00:48:23,176 --> 00:48:26,054
{\an8}Um, but he was adamant
about wanting to fight the case,

776
00:48:26,054 --> 00:48:27,680
{\an8}and he was energised
by our meeting.

777
00:48:27,805 --> 00:48:29,849
I think he thought
he had a strong legal argument,

778
00:48:29,849 --> 00:48:32,225
for example, on the agreement
that he had made

779
00:48:32,350 --> 00:48:35,269
that he felt would have
barred his prosecution.

780
00:48:37,229 --> 00:48:38,396
But nine days later,

781
00:48:38,521 --> 00:48:40,690
the last thing I would have
imagined at the time happened.

782
00:48:44,276 --> 00:48:45,652
NEWSREADER: NBC News has learned

783
00:48:45,652 --> 00:48:49,363
that disgraced financier
Jeffrey Epstein is dead.

784
00:48:49,363 --> 00:48:51,364
NEWSREADER 2: Sources
telling ABC News

785
00:48:51,364 --> 00:48:55,159
that accused sex
trafficker Jeffrey Epstein
has died by suicide.

786
00:48:55,159 --> 00:48:57,953
MAN: It appeared that
he had hung himself

787
00:48:57,953 --> 00:49:02,040
We're trying to figure out if
he was still on suicide watch.

788
00:49:03,290 --> 00:49:04,791
KLASFELD: It was astonishing.

789
00:49:06,375 --> 00:49:10,420
This is someone who is being
prosecuted for historic crimes.

790
00:49:10,420 --> 00:49:13,048
The world's
attention is on this.

791
00:49:13,173 --> 00:49:16,675
How is this man
allowed to turn up dead?

792
00:49:24,056 --> 00:49:26,933
MARK EPSTEIN: And then the next
thing I know, I hear on the news

793
00:49:27,058 --> 00:49:29,226
that Jeffrey was found dead
from an apparent suicide.

794
00:49:30,352 --> 00:49:32,771
And at first, I had...
I had no reason to doubt it,

795
00:49:32,896 --> 00:49:34,730
because, you know,
he was in jail

796
00:49:34,730 --> 00:49:37,274
and was facing a long time
in jail, potentially.

797
00:49:37,399 --> 00:49:40,068
And I knew he wouldn't want to
live that way in jail.

798
00:49:40,068 --> 00:49:41,778
So, I had no reason to doubt it

799
00:49:41,903 --> 00:49:43,904
and I accepted that
he committed suicide.

800
00:49:45,072 --> 00:49:46,739
Anyway, the next day,
I had to come back to New York

801
00:49:46,864 --> 00:49:48,407
to identify his body.

802
00:49:48,407 --> 00:49:50,034
As a family member,
I had the right

803
00:49:50,034 --> 00:49:52,244
to have my own pathologist
at the autopsy.

804
00:49:52,369 --> 00:49:54,745
You know, just to see
everything was done right.

805
00:49:56,163 --> 00:49:59,082
I spoke to his brother,
I insisted that the
person I consider to be

806
00:49:59,207 --> 00:50:00,959
the top forensic pathologist
in the world

807
00:50:01,084 --> 00:50:03,835
participate in
an independent autopsy.

808
00:50:05,003 --> 00:50:06,837
So, his name is Michael Baden.

809
00:50:08,255 --> 00:50:12,968
I was medical examiner
for the New York State
Police for 25 years

810
00:50:13,093 --> 00:50:18,013
and did more than
20,000 autopsies.

811
00:50:19,138 --> 00:50:22,641
In this instance, I was
asked to attend the autopsy

812
00:50:22,766 --> 00:50:24,685
that was going to be done
the next day.

813
00:50:27,395 --> 00:50:30,939
The history was that he was
found having committed suicide

814
00:50:30,939 --> 00:50:33,775
by hanging in his jail cell.

815
00:50:35,526 --> 00:50:37,236
When looking at
the body, there was

816
00:50:37,236 --> 00:50:41,322
a little odd situation there
because the ligature furrow

817
00:50:41,447 --> 00:50:44,408
around the neck was horizontal.

818
00:50:45,534 --> 00:50:46,784
In a suicidal hanging,

819
00:50:46,784 --> 00:50:49,745
the ligature mark is usually

820
00:50:49,745 --> 00:50:52,622
up the high part of the neck
and goes upwards.

821
00:50:52,622 --> 00:50:56,667
And then the moment of surprise,

822
00:50:56,667 --> 00:50:58,960
there were three fractures -

823
00:50:59,085 --> 00:51:01,337
two of the thyroid cartilage,

824
00:51:01,462 --> 00:51:03,505
which is the Adam's apple,

825
00:51:03,630 --> 00:51:07,717
and one of the hyoid bone.

826
00:51:07,717 --> 00:51:11,344
In 50 years of doing this,
I've never seen that.

827
00:51:11,469 --> 00:51:13,138
That's much more common,

828
00:51:13,138 --> 00:51:17,850
a crushing injury,
in a homicidal strangulation.

829
00:51:17,850 --> 00:51:19,642
So, I think, at that point,

830
00:51:19,767 --> 00:51:24,730
there was concern as to
whether it was suicide
as thought or not.

831
00:51:26,522 --> 00:51:29,859
SCHOEN: So, the medical
examiner of New York
City, who conducted it,

832
00:51:29,984 --> 00:51:32,444
she said that it
was inconclusive -

833
00:51:32,444 --> 00:51:33,904
she couldn't say it was suicide.

834
00:51:37,990 --> 00:51:40,658
BADEN: But then her boss,
three or four days later,

835
00:51:40,658 --> 00:51:43,118
changed it to suicide.

836
00:51:46,537 --> 00:51:49,874
MARK EPSTEIN: And then,
OK, now all kinds of
questions start coming up

837
00:51:49,999 --> 00:51:51,333
and wheels start turning.

838
00:51:52,459 --> 00:51:53,835
(HORN BLARES)

839
00:51:54,877 --> 00:51:57,671
Barbara Sampson,
the chief medical examiner -

840
00:51:57,796 --> 00:51:59,672
and she was not at the autopsy -

841
00:51:59,797 --> 00:52:03,592
and so she comes up
with the conclusion of
suicide based on what?

842
00:52:03,592 --> 00:52:06,385
{\an8}NEWSREADER: Tonight, Jeffrey
Epstein's attorneys questioning

843
00:52:06,510 --> 00:52:09,513
{\an8}whether his death was a suicide,
saying they will even

844
00:52:09,639 --> 00:52:10,931
{\an8}pursue, quote:

845
00:52:18,895 --> 00:52:21,022
{\an8}And it turned out somehow,
magically,

846
00:52:21,147 --> 00:52:23,190
the cameras malfunctioned
that day

847
00:52:23,315 --> 00:52:26,193
or was in a place where
the camera didn't reach.

848
00:52:27,568 --> 00:52:29,904
So, this is now a correctional
officer taking an inmate down.

849
00:52:30,029 --> 00:52:33,573
This is supposed to be
Jeffrey Epstein now.

850
00:52:33,698 --> 00:52:37,910
You're talking about August 9th,
at almost 8:00 in the evening.

851
00:52:37,910 --> 00:52:39,536
August 10th is when he was dead.

852
00:52:40,662 --> 00:52:42,121
Do you think it's suspicious

853
00:52:42,121 --> 00:52:44,998
that there's only this
one camera angle available?

854
00:52:44,998 --> 00:52:47,166
That that's the only image?

855
00:52:47,166 --> 00:52:50,252
If that's accurate, yes, I do,
I think it's suspicious.

856
00:52:50,252 --> 00:52:54,880
And, um, you might
say coincidental that the
cameras are malfunctioning,

857
00:52:55,005 --> 00:52:57,550
you know, around that time,
but pretty unbelievable.

858
00:52:58,341 --> 00:53:00,385
There were so many anomalies
that night.

859
00:53:00,385 --> 00:53:03,387
His cellmate had been taken out,

860
00:53:03,512 --> 00:53:05,597
the guards were sleeping,

861
00:53:05,722 --> 00:53:08,307
the cameras were down.

862
00:53:08,307 --> 00:53:12,185
All of these mysterious
things fuelled a lot
of conspiracy theories.

863
00:53:12,185 --> 00:53:14,270
{\an8}There's just no way
you can hang yourself

864
00:53:14,395 --> 00:53:16,105
{\an8}off of a bunk bed
at that height.

865
00:53:16,105 --> 00:53:18,481
I think we have found
Jeffrey Epstein's killer.

866
00:53:18,481 --> 00:53:20,692
And it's the most secure federal
lockup in the United States,

867
00:53:20,692 --> 00:53:21,734
and he got murdered in it.

868
00:53:21,859 --> 00:53:23,360
Who has the power to do that?

869
00:53:27,572 --> 00:53:31,283
I've been studying conspiracy
theories for 15 years.

870
00:53:31,408 --> 00:53:35,202
When I polled Americans
asking them what they
thought about his death,

871
00:53:35,202 --> 00:53:37,413
half the country
thought it was a conspiracy,

872
00:53:37,413 --> 00:53:39,914
that he was killed by people

873
00:53:40,039 --> 00:53:43,959
who were trying to cover up
their involvement with him.

874
00:53:43,959 --> 00:53:47,169
And you don't normally get,

875
00:53:47,169 --> 00:53:50,755
uh, conspiracy theories getting
half the country to buy in.

876
00:53:50,755 --> 00:53:52,424
Yeah, I don't believe
any conspiracy theory,

877
00:53:52,549 --> 00:53:54,675
{\an8}but the fact that
he wanted to fight this case,

878
00:53:54,675 --> 00:53:57,219
{\an8}uh, until the day
before he died,

879
00:53:57,219 --> 00:53:59,888
{\an8}um, says to me that it's
unlikely he committed suicide.

880
00:54:02,514 --> 00:54:04,725
MARK EPSTEIN: I believe
he was murdered.

881
00:54:04,725 --> 00:54:07,435
And if they do a real
investigation and they
talk to the right people,

882
00:54:07,560 --> 00:54:10,188
they could figure out
what actually took place.

883
00:54:12,522 --> 00:54:16,108
Do you believe that
Epstein committed suicide?

884
00:54:16,108 --> 00:54:18,735
No. No, I just don't believe it.

885
00:54:18,735 --> 00:54:21,029
Um... no.

886
00:54:21,863 --> 00:54:25,240
{\an8}He had only been there
for a month.

887
00:54:26,449 --> 00:54:29,243
I just think it was too soon
for him to throw in the towel.

888
00:54:32,078 --> 00:54:34,122
PHILLIPS: From the Jeffrey
Epstein that I knew,

889
00:54:34,246 --> 00:54:37,166
no, I don't think he killed
himself, I just don't.

890
00:54:37,291 --> 00:54:39,876
And I believe he always thought
he was going to get out of it.

891
00:54:39,876 --> 00:54:43,879
{\an8}MAN: He knew that he wasn't
going to get the slap
on the wrist this time.

892
00:54:43,879 --> 00:54:47,256
{\an8}Uh, very damaging documents
in the case came out,

893
00:54:47,256 --> 00:54:50,342
{\an8}two days before,
he changed his will.

894
00:54:50,467 --> 00:54:53,970
A lot of people think
he might have been killed,

895
00:54:53,970 --> 00:54:56,472
others think he killed himself.

896
00:54:56,597 --> 00:54:59,265
LEVINE: I really think
he decided to take his life.

897
00:54:59,265 --> 00:55:02,893
That was the last bit of control
that he had.

898
00:55:04,978 --> 00:55:07,063
BALTZ: When I heard about that,

899
00:55:07,188 --> 00:55:11,399
I just... I was heartbroken
for these girls.

900
00:55:13,318 --> 00:55:15,194
NEWSREADER: A federal judge
has officially dismissed

901
00:55:15,319 --> 00:55:17,488
the criminal case
against Jeffrey Epstein.

902
00:55:19,322 --> 00:55:21,324
BALTZ: They have never
gotten justice,

903
00:55:21,449 --> 00:55:24,493
and, you know,
they didn't deserve this.

904
00:55:27,995 --> 00:55:31,957
PHILLIPS: I was going
through my own feelings
in 2019 when he died.

905
00:55:32,082 --> 00:55:34,125
Uh, he was kind
of a mentor to me,

906
00:55:34,125 --> 00:55:36,001
but he was also my abuser.

907
00:55:36,001 --> 00:55:38,253
Um, so, it was
a very confusing time for me,

908
00:55:38,253 --> 00:55:40,380
and I wanted to know answers
about my life.

909
00:55:40,505 --> 00:55:43,340
So I reached out at that time
to other survivors

910
00:55:43,340 --> 00:55:45,509
and called Virginia.

911
00:55:46,425 --> 00:55:48,344
I had my first
conversation with her.

912
00:55:49,845 --> 00:55:52,472
There's just something
that she had in her

913
00:55:52,472 --> 00:55:54,974
that I looked up to

914
00:55:54,974 --> 00:55:59,352
and I really thought
was very brave.

915
00:56:03,355 --> 00:56:06,232
BALTZ: We are here
in Loxahatchee Groves,

916
00:56:06,232 --> 00:56:09,235
which is a rural part
of Palm Beach County,

917
00:56:09,360 --> 00:56:13,488
in which Virginia
Roberts Giuffre grew up.

918
00:56:15,156 --> 00:56:17,116
Not terribly affluent.

919
00:56:19,242 --> 00:56:21,327
GIUFFRE: I was recruited
at a very young age

920
00:56:21,327 --> 00:56:26,205
from Mar-a-Lago
and entrapped in a world
that I didn't understand,

921
00:56:26,330 --> 00:56:28,374
and I've been fighting
that very world to this day.

922
00:56:28,499 --> 00:56:31,293
And I won't stop fighting.
I will never be silenced.

923
00:56:32,794 --> 00:56:38,298
BALTZ: And here we
have Mar-a-Lago, President
Trump's, uh, private club.

924
00:56:39,549 --> 00:56:43,510
Virginia Giuffre was
a spa attendant at Mar-a-Lago,

925
00:56:43,510 --> 00:56:47,722
and Ghislaine Maxwell
used to go there for massages.

926
00:56:49,765 --> 00:56:53,935
Ghislaine Maxwell asked
her if she wanted to
learn to be a masseuse

927
00:56:54,060 --> 00:56:56,312
and to come to Epstein's house,

928
00:56:56,312 --> 00:56:59,647
and that was where
she suffered the first abuse.

929
00:57:00,982 --> 00:57:02,983
LAWYER: Do you know
Virginia Roberts?

930
00:57:04,151 --> 00:57:05,777
So, she's... Say again, who?

931
00:57:05,903 --> 00:57:07,153
Virginia Roberts.

932
00:57:08,571 --> 00:57:09,489
Can you spell it?

933
00:57:10,947 --> 00:57:13,325
Common spelling.
Can you spell it for me, please?

934
00:57:14,909 --> 00:57:17,703
R-O-B-E-R-T-S.

935
00:57:17,703 --> 00:57:21,247
And, just for the record,
I can only spell it the
way that it was spelled

936
00:57:21,372 --> 00:57:23,999
in your flight logs
from your airplane.

937
00:57:26,959 --> 00:57:29,879
Virginia Roberts Giuffre
was instrumental

938
00:57:29,879 --> 00:57:31,379
in this story coming forward.

939
00:57:31,379 --> 00:57:34,340
She is the reason,
to a very large extent,

940
00:57:34,340 --> 00:57:36,926
that Jeffrey Epstein
and Ghislaine Maxwell

941
00:57:37,051 --> 00:57:38,468
were even prosecuted,

942
00:57:38,593 --> 00:57:42,055
because of the trail,
of the public record

943
00:57:42,179 --> 00:57:44,556
that she left in
her civil lawsuits.

944
00:57:46,933 --> 00:57:51,269
BROWN: Virginia Giuffre
was not only key in
exposing Jeffrey Epstein,

945
00:57:51,394 --> 00:57:54,939
you know, she named names
of other people,

946
00:57:55,064 --> 00:57:56,565
such as Prince Andrew.

947
00:57:57,733 --> 00:58:00,276
NEWSREADER: Abuse
allegations that have
been plaguing the Prince

948
00:58:00,401 --> 00:58:04,238
for years now laid bare
on prime-time TV.

949
00:58:04,238 --> 00:58:07,073
Virginia Roberts Giuffre
alleges Prince Andrew

950
00:58:07,073 --> 00:58:11,159
first sexually abused her
at Ms Maxwell's London home.

951
00:58:11,159 --> 00:58:12,994
GIUFFRE: Ghislaine woke me
up in the morning and said,

952
00:58:13,119 --> 00:58:14,537
"You're gonna meet
a prince today."

953
00:58:15,412 --> 00:58:17,456
I didn't know at that point

954
00:58:17,456 --> 00:58:21,084
{\an8}that I was going to be
trafficked to that prince.

955
00:58:21,084 --> 00:58:24,336
{\an8}And Ghislaine said,
"He's coming back to the house,

956
00:58:24,336 --> 00:58:28,214
{\an8}"and I want you to do for him
what you do for Epstein."

957
00:58:28,214 --> 00:58:30,966
EMILY MAITLIS: One of Epstein's
accusers, Virginia Roberts...

958
00:58:30,966 --> 00:58:33,468
Yeah. ..has made
allegations against you.

959
00:58:40,306 --> 00:58:42,724
{\an8}It's been six years now...
Yeah.

960
00:58:42,850 --> 00:58:46,686
...since that famous, infamous
interview with Prince Andrew.

961
00:58:46,811 --> 00:58:49,939
Did you ever think
that you would still be
talking about it now?

962
00:58:49,939 --> 00:58:53,733
In a way, I wish the
whole conversation
had started earlier.

963
00:58:53,733 --> 00:58:59,112
You know, we knew when we did it
that it had to be a document,

964
00:58:59,237 --> 00:59:01,656
a public record,
in case it was ever useful.

965
00:59:04,116 --> 00:59:06,576
He was in the room
when I arrived.

966
00:59:06,576 --> 00:59:09,328
He looked ready for it.

967
00:59:09,453 --> 00:59:13,123
He looked like a man
who had waited a long time

968
00:59:13,123 --> 00:59:16,000
to kind of get it off
his chest, frankly.

969
00:59:16,125 --> 00:59:22,171
There is no good time
to talk about Mr Epstein.

970
00:59:22,171 --> 00:59:26,966
My sense is that he thought
he was his own best weapon

971
00:59:26,966 --> 00:59:29,343
in terms of killing
the story dead.

972
00:59:29,469 --> 00:59:33,054
She says she met you in 2001,

973
00:59:33,054 --> 00:59:35,723
and she went on to
have sex with you

974
00:59:35,723 --> 00:59:39,851
in a house in Belgravia
belonging to Ghislaine Maxwell.

975
00:59:39,976 --> 00:59:41,519
Didn't happen.

976
00:59:41,644 --> 00:59:43,687
Do you remember her?

977
00:59:43,812 --> 00:59:45,063
No.

978
00:59:45,063 --> 00:59:47,857
He tried to tell me
that it was a fake photo.

979
00:59:47,982 --> 00:59:53,195
We can't be certain as
to whether or not that's
my hand on-on-on her,

980
00:59:53,320 --> 00:59:56,363
uh, whatever it is,
left... left side.

981
00:59:56,363 --> 01:00:00,033
He'd worked out his, um, alibi.

982
01:00:00,158 --> 01:00:06,162
I'd taken Beatrice to
a PizzaExpress in Woking.

983
01:00:06,287 --> 01:00:08,664
His team had thought
it had gone pretty well.

984
01:00:08,790 --> 01:00:11,249
NEWSREADER: Britain's Prince
Andrew is facing backlash

985
01:00:11,249 --> 01:00:13,877
after a widely criticised
television interview.

986
01:00:14,002 --> 01:00:18,047
NEWSREADER 2: One UK
paper calling the Prince
entitled and obtuse.

987
01:00:18,047 --> 01:00:20,340
NEWSREADER 3: Four days
after Newsnight broadcast

988
01:00:20,340 --> 01:00:23,717
its interview with
Prince Andrew, he's
made this announcement.

989
01:00:23,717 --> 01:00:26,677
"I have asked Her Majesty
if I may step back from

990
01:00:26,677 --> 01:00:29,013
"public duties
for the foreseeable future,

991
01:00:29,138 --> 01:00:31,264
"and she has given
her permission."

992
01:00:31,264 --> 01:00:35,101
BRYANT: The interview
that he gave the BBC,

993
01:00:35,101 --> 01:00:38,478
that was beyond disingenuous.

994
01:00:39,813 --> 01:00:42,397
He started his slow decline

995
01:00:42,397 --> 01:00:46,275
to ultimately being
stripped of his princehood.

996
01:00:46,401 --> 01:00:49,737
And I think that that was
the beginning of the end.

997
01:00:50,654 --> 01:00:53,657
It's... it's an eye for an eye,
a scar for a scar.

998
01:00:57,076 --> 01:00:58,910
No matter how much
I go through therapy,

999
01:00:59,035 --> 01:01:02,496
I'm embedded with scars
that will never leave me, ever.

1000
01:01:07,917 --> 01:01:11,128
KLASFELD: Virginia Giuffre
was also instrumental to

1001
01:01:11,253 --> 01:01:14,797
the downfall of the other
person in that photograph
- Ghislaine Maxwell.

1002
01:01:16,799 --> 01:01:21,094
In 2022, Ghislaine Maxwell was
sentenced to 20 years in prison

1003
01:01:21,219 --> 01:01:23,178
for sex trafficking
and other crimes.

1004
01:01:26,639 --> 01:01:29,767
But there was
a growing public outrage

1005
01:01:29,767 --> 01:01:34,395
that she was the only
person to face consequences
in the Epstein scandal.

1006
01:01:34,520 --> 01:01:36,856
People were asking,
"What about the men?"

1007
01:01:38,732 --> 01:01:40,650
No-one had brought charges,

1008
01:01:40,775 --> 01:01:45,362
and this was across Republican
and Democratic administrations.

1009
01:01:48,906 --> 01:01:53,201
TOBIN: When and how did
concerns about Epstein's crimes

1010
01:01:53,201 --> 01:01:57,121
start spilling over into
the territory of the public

1011
01:01:57,246 --> 01:01:59,247
really wanting to see the files?

1012
01:01:59,247 --> 01:02:03,375
Donald Trump really was the one
who prompted that.

1013
01:02:06,669 --> 01:02:10,213
Then he got to be embroiled
in it himself.

1014
01:02:12,257 --> 01:02:13,175
REPORTER: Donald Trump's name

1015
01:02:13,300 --> 01:02:14,925
is all over these files.

1016
01:02:14,925 --> 01:02:17,303
REPORTER 2: Flight logs show
Trump travelled on Epstein's

1017
01:02:17,428 --> 01:02:20,889
private jet many more times
than prosecutors were aware.

1018
01:02:24,183 --> 01:02:27,310
{\an8}LAWYER: Have you ever had
a personal relationship
with Donald Trump?

1019
01:02:28,603 --> 01:02:30,729
{\an8}What do you mean by
"personal relationship", sir?

1020
01:02:30,854 --> 01:02:33,940
{\an8}Have you socialised with him?
Yes, sir.

1021
01:02:34,064 --> 01:02:35,733
{\an8}Yes?
Yes, sir.

1022
01:02:35,858 --> 01:02:38,651
{\an8}Have you ever socialised
with Donald Trump

1023
01:02:38,777 --> 01:02:43,822
{\an8}in the presence of females
under the age of 18?

1024
01:02:47,575 --> 01:02:50,952
{\an8}Though I'd like to answer
that question, at least today,

1025
01:02:50,952 --> 01:02:52,287
{\an8}I'm going to have to assert my

1026
01:02:52,287 --> 01:02:55,331
{\an8}Fifth, Sixth and Fourteenth
Amendment rights, sir.

1027
01:02:57,833 --> 01:03:00,043
KLASFELD: It's indisputable
that Trump had

1028
01:03:00,043 --> 01:03:03,128
a long-term friendship
with Epstein.

1029
01:03:03,253 --> 01:03:04,713
He told the world about it.

1030
01:03:04,838 --> 01:03:08,299
Do you still think Jeffrey
Epstein is a terrific guy?

1031
01:03:08,424 --> 01:03:10,675
Well, I knew him, like everybody
in Palm Beach knew him.

1032
01:03:10,675 --> 01:03:12,260
I mean, people
in Palm Beach knew him.

1033
01:03:12,385 --> 01:03:14,220
He was a fixture in Palm Beach.

1034
01:03:14,345 --> 01:03:16,305
KLASFELD: There was
the infamous interview

1035
01:03:16,305 --> 01:03:19,682
where he called
Epstein a great guy,

1036
01:03:19,682 --> 01:03:22,559
likes women "on
the younger side".

1037
01:03:23,602 --> 01:03:27,063
Jeffrey Epstein's
50th birthday book in 2003

1038
01:03:27,063 --> 01:03:31,191
has a drawing of
a nude female figure

1039
01:03:31,191 --> 01:03:32,692
{\an8}with Trump's name on it.

1040
01:03:33,819 --> 01:03:35,486
He denies that
it's his signature,

1041
01:03:35,611 --> 01:03:37,905
we have multiple
handwriting experts

1042
01:03:37,905 --> 01:03:39,864
saying that it is.

1043
01:03:39,989 --> 01:03:41,700
I don't do drawings.

1044
01:03:41,825 --> 01:03:43,450
I'm not a drawing person.

1045
01:03:44,201 --> 01:03:46,369
KLASFELD: The fact
that he had such a long,

1046
01:03:46,494 --> 01:03:48,704
personal friendship with Epstein

1047
01:03:48,704 --> 01:03:50,706
raises questions about

1048
01:03:50,706 --> 01:03:53,667
what he knew about
Epstein's behaviour.

1049
01:03:53,667 --> 01:03:55,793
I had a falling out with him
a long time ago.

1050
01:03:55,793 --> 01:03:59,462
I don't think I've spoken to him
for 15 years. I wasn't a fan.

1051
01:04:00,672 --> 01:04:02,965
TOBIN: When do you think it was
that the Epstein files

1052
01:04:02,965 --> 01:04:06,175
actually started becoming a big
problem for President Trump?

1053
01:04:06,175 --> 01:04:11,555
I think it became a problem soon
after he assumed office again.

1054
01:04:11,680 --> 01:04:14,056
We are going to drain the swamp,

1055
01:04:14,056 --> 01:04:15,933
and we're going to do it
once and for all.

1056
01:04:15,933 --> 01:04:19,519
Prior to his re-election,
he had been asked point-blank,

1057
01:04:19,519 --> 01:04:21,730
would you support
releasing the files?

1058
01:04:21,730 --> 01:04:24,231
Would you declassify
the Epstein files?

1059
01:04:24,356 --> 01:04:26,357
Yeah. Yeah, I would.

1060
01:04:26,357 --> 01:04:30,235
USCINSKI: And many of the people
around him, they said yes.

1061
01:04:30,360 --> 01:04:32,237
Seriously, we need to release
the Epstein list.

1062
01:04:32,237 --> 01:04:33,697
That is an important thing.

1063
01:04:33,822 --> 01:04:37,658
How is it that my father
can be convicted of 34 crimes,

1064
01:04:37,658 --> 01:04:42,161
but no-one on Epstein's list
has even been brought to light.

1065
01:04:42,286 --> 01:04:44,246
So, this was a campaign promise

1066
01:04:44,246 --> 01:04:46,622
that they had made
to their supporters.

1067
01:04:47,373 --> 01:04:50,500
Ghislaine. Look into her father,
Robert Maxwell.

1068
01:04:50,625 --> 01:04:53,211
All the answers are right there.
Yeah. Because he was a spy.

1069
01:04:53,211 --> 01:04:55,588
Trump built a
coalition of followers

1070
01:04:55,588 --> 01:04:58,465
who are very conspiratorial
in their world views

1071
01:04:58,465 --> 01:05:02,134
and were already
Epstein conspiracy theorists.

1072
01:05:03,177 --> 01:05:05,346
You don't know that she's 16,
and she takes you in a room

1073
01:05:05,471 --> 01:05:07,889
and that room is filled
with cameras, that's...

1074
01:05:07,889 --> 01:05:09,724
Blackmail.
Yeah.

1075
01:05:09,724 --> 01:05:14,435
So, there were fantasies about
massive sex-trafficking rings,

1076
01:05:14,435 --> 01:05:16,896
views about blackmail rings,

1077
01:05:16,896 --> 01:05:18,480
and that Epstein was controlling

1078
01:05:18,480 --> 01:05:20,648
all sorts of rich
and powerful people.

1079
01:05:20,774 --> 01:05:22,858
I believe very strongly
he was a spy, yes.

1080
01:05:22,983 --> 01:05:24,610
And who do you think
he was working for?

1081
01:05:24,735 --> 01:05:26,360
The Israelis.

1082
01:05:26,360 --> 01:05:30,489
USCINSKI: Trump cosied
up to QAnon, and it
created a lore around him

1083
01:05:30,614 --> 01:05:34,158
that he was bringing down
these evil, powerful people,

1084
01:05:34,283 --> 01:05:36,911
'cause the establishment
was entirely corrupt

1085
01:05:36,911 --> 01:05:39,245
and he was the outsider
who was going to come in

1086
01:05:39,245 --> 01:05:40,789
and drain the swamp.

1087
01:05:48,670 --> 01:05:50,754
So, early in
Trump's second term,

1088
01:05:50,879 --> 01:05:53,799
he appoints Pam Bondi
as Attorney-General,

1089
01:05:53,799 --> 01:05:58,593
and she runs with the Epstein
story almost immediately.

1090
01:05:58,593 --> 01:06:01,137
This is something Donald Trump
has talked about.

1091
01:06:01,137 --> 01:06:05,516
The DOJ may be releasing
the list of Jeffrey
Epstein's clients?

1092
01:06:05,516 --> 01:06:08,434
KLASFELD: In February of 2025,

1093
01:06:08,434 --> 01:06:10,143
Bondi goes out and says

1094
01:06:10,268 --> 01:06:15,773
that she has the Epstein files
and the client list on her desk.

1095
01:06:15,773 --> 01:06:18,858
It's sitting on my desk
right now, to review.

1096
01:06:18,858 --> 01:06:21,361
That's been a directive
by President Trump.

1097
01:06:21,361 --> 01:06:24,989
Then there's a
180-degree reversal.

1098
01:06:26,406 --> 01:06:28,616
There's the release
of the July memo

1099
01:06:28,616 --> 01:06:31,827
from the FBI
and the Department of Justice.

1100
01:06:31,952 --> 01:06:34,662
And the July memo says
an extraordinary thing.

1101
01:06:34,787 --> 01:06:36,831
It says that there are more than

1102
01:06:36,956 --> 01:06:40,291
a thousand survivors of
Jeffrey Epstein's abuse,

1103
01:06:40,291 --> 01:06:42,876
and then says there's
nothing to investigate,

1104
01:06:42,876 --> 01:06:45,212
there's nothing to release,

1105
01:06:45,212 --> 01:06:46,671
turn the other way.

1106
01:06:47,839 --> 01:06:49,841
There was, quote,
"No client list

1107
01:06:49,966 --> 01:06:52,509
"or evidence that he blackmailed
prominent figures,"

1108
01:06:52,509 --> 01:06:54,969
according to a memo
detailing the findings.

1109
01:06:55,094 --> 01:06:58,680
The review also concluded
that Epstein died by suicide

1110
01:06:58,680 --> 01:07:00,974
while in custody at a Manhattan
correctional facility.

1111
01:07:00,974 --> 01:07:05,102
That memo just sent shock waves
throughout the American ether,

1112
01:07:05,102 --> 01:07:08,688
especially with the MAGA base
who was so invested.

1113
01:07:08,688 --> 01:07:11,064
All those videos are saying,
"Yeah, she's seen the videos,

1114
01:07:11,189 --> 01:07:12,482
"it's all coming out."

1115
01:07:12,482 --> 01:07:14,650
And then now it doesn't exist.
I mean, what? What?!

1116
01:07:14,650 --> 01:07:17,278
Joe, wanna check the tweet
that Elon just put out?

1117
01:07:17,278 --> 01:07:19,154
"Time to drop the
really big bomb.

1118
01:07:19,154 --> 01:07:21,406
"Donald Trump is
in the Epstein files.

1119
01:07:21,406 --> 01:07:23,574
"That's the real reason
they have not been made public."

1120
01:07:23,699 --> 01:07:26,075
The Jeffrey Epstein case
has caused backlash

1121
01:07:26,075 --> 01:07:27,243
within President Trump's base,

1122
01:07:27,243 --> 01:07:30,412
fuelling conspiracy theories
that more details exist

1123
01:07:30,412 --> 01:07:32,414
but are being hidden
from the public.

1124
01:07:33,540 --> 01:07:35,374
MAN: I'm not gonna
play with these anymore.

1125
01:07:35,374 --> 01:07:37,126
MAGA hats are off.

1126
01:07:44,256 --> 01:07:46,049
Burn, baby, burn.

1127
01:07:46,174 --> 01:07:49,427
And this is a great
representation of
what's left of MAGA.

1128
01:07:50,927 --> 01:07:54,221
I think the President
always felt like he could
control his MAGA base,

1129
01:07:54,221 --> 01:07:55,681
but it's the influencers

1130
01:07:55,681 --> 01:07:58,350
who have also really
kept this story alive

1131
01:07:58,350 --> 01:08:00,435
and have been very
critical of him.

1132
01:08:00,435 --> 01:08:02,645
We voted for Trump
because we wanted justice,

1133
01:08:02,770 --> 01:08:05,564
and justice involves
actually holding accountable

1134
01:08:05,689 --> 01:08:07,482
the people who committed
that wrongdoing.

1135
01:08:18,198 --> 01:08:20,408
It just continued and continued,

1136
01:08:20,408 --> 01:08:23,535
and the President himself
kept calling it a hoax.

1137
01:08:23,535 --> 01:08:25,621
Well, I haven't been
overly interested in it.

1138
01:08:25,621 --> 01:08:27,205
You know, it's something...

1139
01:08:27,205 --> 01:08:29,916
It's a hoax that's been built up
way beyond proportion.

1140
01:08:30,040 --> 01:08:32,626
I know it's a hoax.
It's started by Democrats.

1141
01:08:32,751 --> 01:08:34,210
When you call something a hoax,

1142
01:08:34,210 --> 01:08:36,337
and yet people know that there's
a tremendous amount of evidence

1143
01:08:36,462 --> 01:08:37,713
out there that it's not a hoax,

1144
01:08:37,713 --> 01:08:40,548
it makes them only want to
know more about it.

1145
01:08:40,548 --> 01:08:42,466
{\an8}NEWSREADER: The President
writing on social media:

1146
01:08:52,140 --> 01:08:53,809
TRUMP: Some stupid Republicans

1147
01:08:53,934 --> 01:08:56,310
and foolish Republicans
fall into the net.

1148
01:08:56,310 --> 01:08:57,977
I call it the Epstein hoax.

1149
01:09:01,815 --> 01:09:03,440
Hello? Hi.
Come on in. Hi.

1150
01:09:03,565 --> 01:09:04,775
Marjorie.
Yes, hello.

1151
01:09:04,900 --> 01:09:07,068
Hi, I'm Grace Tobin.
Nice to meet you.

1152
01:09:07,193 --> 01:09:10,779
Nice to meet you, too. Grab a
seat under this big ball light.

1153
01:09:10,779 --> 01:09:12,489
Yeah, that's quite a light.
I know, isn't it?

1154
01:09:12,489 --> 01:09:13,824
Oh, my gosh. Yeah.

1155
01:09:15,533 --> 01:09:18,994
Do you think that these
supporters are losing
heart and losing trust

1156
01:09:19,119 --> 01:09:22,329
in President Trump now
because of the Epstein files?

1157
01:09:22,329 --> 01:09:24,331
Many of them, yes.

1158
01:09:24,456 --> 01:09:26,916
It was a line in
the sand for them.

1159
01:09:26,916 --> 01:09:29,627
They couldn't understand
it the same way I
couldn't understand it.

1160
01:09:29,627 --> 01:09:31,461
Why would he cover this up?

1161
01:09:31,586 --> 01:09:33,797
And that was, um...

1162
01:09:35,297 --> 01:09:39,134
That was something that
none of us ever expected
from President Trump.

1163
01:09:46,889 --> 01:09:50,517
I'm Rick Frazier,
and I presently live
in St Marys, Ohio.

1164
01:09:50,642 --> 01:09:52,269
Mmm. It's good.

1165
01:09:52,269 --> 01:09:53,978
TOBIN: Mm. Strong?
Good coffee.

1166
01:09:55,563 --> 01:10:00,358
I'm a front-row Joe,
and I'd show up five,
six days ahead of time

1167
01:10:00,483 --> 01:10:02,067
to one of his rallies.

1168
01:10:02,192 --> 01:10:03,986
TRUMP: It's very quick,
but it's brutal.

1169
01:10:03,986 --> 01:10:06,821
I still worked hard to help
Trump, you know, get elected.

1170
01:10:06,946 --> 01:10:08,781
(CROWD CHEERS)

1171
01:10:08,781 --> 01:10:12,701
But, to be honest with you,
it pisses me off that -

1172
01:10:12,701 --> 01:10:14,285
if I can use that language -

1173
01:10:14,285 --> 01:10:16,787
that on one hand,

1174
01:10:16,787 --> 01:10:20,040
we were promised
by the President that
this is gonna happen.

1175
01:10:21,082 --> 01:10:22,541
Then, on the other hand,

1176
01:10:22,666 --> 01:10:25,628
he turns around
and it didn't happen.

1177
01:10:25,753 --> 01:10:29,756
I can't see why he...
who he's protecting.

1178
01:10:29,756 --> 01:10:32,466
I honestly, in my mind,
don't think he's involved.

1179
01:10:32,466 --> 01:10:34,842
You can be in
pictures with anyone,

1180
01:10:34,967 --> 01:10:38,011
but until we got transparency,
how do we know?

1181
01:10:44,266 --> 01:10:46,726
NEWSREADER: There is
new pressure on the
Trump Administration

1182
01:10:46,726 --> 01:10:49,896
from Republicans looking into
the Jeffrey Epstein case.

1183
01:10:49,896 --> 01:10:52,481
DAVID PAKMAN: Donald Trump
is aimed at one of his own,

1184
01:10:52,481 --> 01:10:55,316
Republican congressman
Thomas Massie.

1185
01:10:55,316 --> 01:10:58,485
TRUMP: This moron Thomas Massie,

1186
01:10:58,485 --> 01:11:00,695
there's something
wrong with him.

1187
01:11:05,658 --> 01:11:09,035
When did you first start
becoming concerned

1188
01:11:09,035 --> 01:11:11,787
about what's now known
as the Epstein files?

1189
01:11:11,787 --> 01:11:14,997
So, it started
a couple years ago for me,

1190
01:11:15,122 --> 01:11:17,541
and it really came
to the forefront

1191
01:11:17,541 --> 01:11:20,710
when President Trump
and people in his Cabinet

1192
01:11:20,835 --> 01:11:23,545
promised that they were going to
release these files.

1193
01:11:23,545 --> 01:11:26,547
But none of them followed
through on their promise,

1194
01:11:26,673 --> 01:11:28,883
which became suspicious to me.

1195
01:11:30,092 --> 01:11:33,262
My Democrat colleague
Ro Khanna, from California,

1196
01:11:33,387 --> 01:11:35,596
cares about the victims,

1197
01:11:35,596 --> 01:11:38,723
and so I reached out to him
and said,

1198
01:11:38,848 --> 01:11:42,935
"Ro, um, if I do
a discharge petition,

1199
01:11:42,935 --> 01:11:48,690
"do you think you
could get every single
Democrat to sign it?"

1200
01:11:48,690 --> 01:11:51,608
And he did deliver
on that promise.

1201
01:11:52,943 --> 01:11:55,528
NEWSREADER: Democrat Ro Khanna
and Republican Thomas Massie

1202
01:11:55,528 --> 01:11:57,530
are leading a bipartisan push
in the House

1203
01:11:57,530 --> 01:11:59,072
for the release of
the Epstein files.

1204
01:11:59,072 --> 01:12:01,783
People feel that
the rich and the powerful

1205
01:12:01,908 --> 01:12:04,076
have been not held accountable,

1206
01:12:04,076 --> 01:12:06,202
that they have
a different set of rules,

1207
01:12:06,202 --> 01:12:08,705
and that there may be
government officials involved.

1208
01:12:08,705 --> 01:12:12,124
NEWSREADER: Thomas Massie
just filed a discharge petition

1209
01:12:12,249 --> 01:12:15,042
to force this vote
on releasing the files.

1210
01:12:15,042 --> 01:12:16,752
That's something that
Speaker Mike Johnson

1211
01:12:16,877 --> 01:12:18,795
has really been trying to avoid.

1212
01:12:18,795 --> 01:12:21,089
REPORTER: The White House
has warned Republicans

1213
01:12:21,089 --> 01:12:22,756
not to side with Massie.

1214
01:12:22,881 --> 01:12:25,342
Even a White House official
telling reporters last night

1215
01:12:25,467 --> 01:12:28,136
that this would be viewed
as an act of hostility.

1216
01:12:33,223 --> 01:12:37,310
Well, I have a 98% voting record
with the President,

1217
01:12:37,310 --> 01:12:40,228
was one of his most
loyal defenders.

1218
01:12:40,228 --> 01:12:43,897
Marjorie Taylor Greene,
please come up. Come.

1219
01:12:43,897 --> 01:12:46,316
CROWD: (CHANTS) MTG! MTG!

1220
01:12:46,441 --> 01:12:47,901
Thank you, Mr President.

1221
01:12:47,901 --> 01:12:51,987
Alright, Georgia, we know
what we're going to do in 2024.

1222
01:12:52,112 --> 01:12:56,115
He was angry at me
for siding with Thomas Massie

1223
01:12:56,115 --> 01:12:58,116
and signing on
the discharge petition.

1224
01:12:58,241 --> 01:13:00,785
To me, it was a matter of
right and wrong

1225
01:13:00,911 --> 01:13:02,620
and standing up for these women.

1226
01:13:02,745 --> 01:13:05,623
The greatest president
in United States history,

1227
01:13:05,748 --> 01:13:08,124
Donald J. Trump, right, Georgia?

1228
01:13:08,249 --> 01:13:11,418
(CROWD ROARS)

1229
01:13:11,418 --> 01:13:12,669
CARLSON: Marjorie Taylor Greene,

1230
01:13:12,669 --> 01:13:14,795
she's the female version
of Donald Trump.

1231
01:13:14,795 --> 01:13:16,881
She was full-blood MAGA.

1232
01:13:17,006 --> 01:13:20,759
So, for her to be one of the
people to stand up against him

1233
01:13:20,759 --> 01:13:24,803
is very significant
in American politics.

1234
01:13:24,929 --> 01:13:27,889
He was losing control of
the situation.

1235
01:13:29,807 --> 01:13:32,851
TOBIN: When you sign
that discharge petition,

1236
01:13:32,976 --> 01:13:36,270
afterwards you took a phone call
with President Trump.

1237
01:13:36,395 --> 01:13:40,190
He said that it was going to
hurt people that he knew.

1238
01:13:40,315 --> 01:13:41,691
What people?

1239
01:13:41,691 --> 01:13:44,693
I don't know. I still don't know
that to this day.

1240
01:13:44,693 --> 01:13:48,029
But the way he treated me
and the names that he called me,

1241
01:13:48,154 --> 01:13:51,198
sent death threats upon me
and then my children.

1242
01:13:51,198 --> 01:13:54,075
(CROWD CHATTERS AND CHEERS)

1243
01:13:58,286 --> 01:14:00,163
TAYLOR GREENE: This is my
fifth year in Congress

1244
01:14:00,163 --> 01:14:02,456
and this is the largest
press conference

1245
01:14:02,456 --> 01:14:04,875
that I've seen since
I've been here.

1246
01:14:04,875 --> 01:14:07,210
KLASFELD: As people like
Marjorie Taylor Greene

1247
01:14:07,210 --> 01:14:11,213
started getting involved,
the snowball started rolling.

1248
01:14:11,338 --> 01:14:13,632
TAYLOR GREENE:
This is not about politics,

1249
01:14:13,757 --> 01:14:17,176
this is a boiling point
in American history.

1250
01:14:17,301 --> 01:14:19,844
KLASFELD: We see some
very effective advocacy

1251
01:14:19,844 --> 01:14:22,221
on behalf of the
victims themselves.

1252
01:14:22,221 --> 01:14:25,015
Why did he get away
with it in 2008?

1253
01:14:25,015 --> 01:14:27,976
Why was Jeffrey Epstein
so protected?

1254
01:14:27,976 --> 01:14:30,060
Why was Maxwell the only one
held accountable

1255
01:14:30,060 --> 01:14:31,853
when so many others
played a role?

1256
01:14:31,979 --> 01:14:33,855
Let the public know the truth.

1257
01:14:35,231 --> 01:14:38,108
WOMAN: I speak today not only
in service of my own recovery,

1258
01:14:38,233 --> 01:14:42,194
but to honour the lives,
the courage and sacrifices

1259
01:14:42,319 --> 01:14:44,697
of Virginia Giuffre

1260
01:14:44,697 --> 01:14:46,447
and others who
could not continue.

1261
01:14:48,741 --> 01:14:52,202
NEWSREADER: Victims
of the convicted sex
offender Jeffrey Epstein

1262
01:14:52,327 --> 01:14:54,579
have paid tribute
to Virginia Giuffre

1263
01:14:54,579 --> 01:14:56,998
at a rally in Washington, DC.

1264
01:14:57,123 --> 01:14:59,916
She took her own life
in April this year.

1265
01:15:01,334 --> 01:15:03,669
BALTZ: It made me very sad
when she passed.

1266
01:15:04,837 --> 01:15:08,715
This sort of damage,
you can stuff it down
for years and years,

1267
01:15:08,715 --> 01:15:11,174
but the effects
will always catch up.

1268
01:15:11,174 --> 01:15:14,218
Virginia said it
best, and I quote,

1269
01:15:14,218 --> 01:15:17,388
"They say time can heal,
but this won't.

1270
01:15:17,513 --> 01:15:20,557
"Not until the justice
system makes an example
out of these people

1271
01:15:20,557 --> 01:15:22,391
"with so-called privileges.

1272
01:15:22,516 --> 01:15:24,643
"I just call it money."

1273
01:15:24,643 --> 01:15:25,935
People believe her now.

1274
01:15:26,853 --> 01:15:28,229
I mean, she won...

1275
01:15:29,397 --> 01:15:30,939
...in a sad way.

1276
01:15:37,069 --> 01:15:40,614
KHANNA: So we gather here
on the steps of the Capitol

1277
01:15:40,739 --> 01:15:42,990
to confront these
corrupt forces.

1278
01:15:44,408 --> 01:15:49,579
We know we have 212 Democrats
and we have four Republicans,

1279
01:15:49,704 --> 01:15:51,371
courageous Republicans.

1280
01:15:51,371 --> 01:15:55,124
The only supporters that I got
from my discharge petition

1281
01:15:55,249 --> 01:15:58,293
on the Republican side of
the aisle were all women.

1282
01:15:58,418 --> 01:15:59,794
Marjorie Taylor Greene,

1283
01:15:59,794 --> 01:16:01,588
Lauren Boebert and Nancy Mace.

1284
01:16:03,005 --> 01:16:07,133
They were woken up at
5am in the morning with
the President saying,

1285
01:16:07,258 --> 01:16:08,968
"F this, F that.

1286
01:16:09,093 --> 01:16:11,470
"Get your effing name
off of this thing."

1287
01:16:11,595 --> 01:16:14,931
But, to their credit, all three
of those women stayed strong.

1288
01:16:16,432 --> 01:16:19,768
KLASFELD: There was a time
when few believed

1289
01:16:19,768 --> 01:16:24,438
that they would actually
be able to get the
passage of these files.

1290
01:16:25,439 --> 01:16:28,733
And it was only after
it became very clear

1291
01:16:28,733 --> 01:16:31,109
that Trump was going
to lose on this vote,

1292
01:16:31,235 --> 01:16:35,238
then finally
he claimed to support it.

1293
01:16:36,405 --> 01:16:39,783
We've done a great job,
and I hate to see that,

1294
01:16:39,783 --> 01:16:43,244
uh, deflect from
the great job we've done.

1295
01:16:43,244 --> 01:16:45,454
So I'm all for it.

1296
01:16:45,579 --> 01:16:49,374
What eventually happened
was a nearly unanimous vote.

1297
01:16:50,165 --> 01:16:54,961
The yeas are 427,
the nays are one.

1298
01:16:54,961 --> 01:16:56,712
The bill is passed,

1299
01:16:56,712 --> 01:17:00,924
and without objection,
the motion to reconsider
is laid on the table.

1300
01:17:02,383 --> 01:17:04,301
(CHEERING, APPLAUSE)

1301
01:17:05,761 --> 01:17:09,639
Mr Speaker, today
is an extraordinary
day in this chamber.

1302
01:17:09,639 --> 01:17:13,016
This is about the powerless

1303
01:17:13,141 --> 01:17:18,770
taking power away
from the very powerful.

1304
01:17:18,770 --> 01:17:21,439
When Trump backflipped on it,

1305
01:17:21,439 --> 01:17:23,440
the survivors won.

1306
01:17:23,440 --> 01:17:27,652
The Senate has passed the bill
under unanimous consent!

1307
01:17:27,777 --> 01:17:30,404
(ALL CHEER)

1308
01:17:32,531 --> 01:17:34,198
REPORTER: The bill forces
the Justice Department

1309
01:17:34,323 --> 01:17:37,577
to release Epstein file
documents within 30 days.

1310
01:17:37,577 --> 01:17:40,245
(ALL CHEER)

1311
01:17:57,633 --> 01:18:01,052
Once the Epstein Files
Transparency Act became law,

1312
01:18:01,177 --> 01:18:04,513
there was a deadline -
December 19th -

1313
01:18:04,513 --> 01:18:06,389
for the release of everything.

1314
01:18:06,514 --> 01:18:09,225
REPORTER: Deputy
Attorney-General Todd
Blanche says, however,

1315
01:18:09,350 --> 01:18:12,227
several hundred thousand pages
of records will be made public,

1316
01:18:12,227 --> 01:18:14,604
with more to come
in the coming weeks.

1317
01:18:14,604 --> 01:18:15,688
Hundreds of thousands...

1318
01:18:15,688 --> 01:18:17,315
FRAZIER: I could sit at home

1319
01:18:17,315 --> 01:18:19,232
and just stay on the couch
and not be involved,

1320
01:18:19,232 --> 01:18:23,110
but being here is historic.

1321
01:18:24,111 --> 01:18:26,196
We got a few hours
till we find out.

1322
01:18:26,196 --> 01:18:28,740
REPORTER: But we're talking
about a tonnage of information

1323
01:18:28,865 --> 01:18:31,700
that may take some time
just to process.

1324
01:18:31,700 --> 01:18:34,243
The Justice Department
has now begun

1325
01:18:34,368 --> 01:18:37,205
the release of
the Epstein files.

1326
01:18:38,830 --> 01:18:44,877
The first release was a blip
on the radar, not even that.

1327
01:18:44,877 --> 01:18:47,253
There was a picture
of Bill Clinton.

1328
01:18:47,378 --> 01:18:49,672
There was very little
about Donald Trump.

1329
01:18:49,672 --> 01:18:54,217
It was widely regarded
to have few major revelations.

1330
01:18:55,384 --> 01:18:59,095
NEWSREADER: At least 550 pages
were fully redacted.

1331
01:18:59,095 --> 01:19:01,097
NEWSREADER 2: We have
just a fraction right now

1332
01:19:01,097 --> 01:19:02,807
of what is believed to exist.

1333
01:19:02,807 --> 01:19:03,891
PHILLIPS: It
failed, in our book.

1334
01:19:04,016 --> 01:19:05,226
We haven't received
full transparency,

1335
01:19:05,226 --> 01:19:07,310
and it's an incomplete
release of the files.

1336
01:19:10,062 --> 01:19:12,689
FRAZIER: That must be his...
his prison cell.

1337
01:19:12,689 --> 01:19:17,109
I'm pretty disappointed
since we were told transparency,

1338
01:19:17,235 --> 01:19:19,236
and we're not really seeing it.

1339
01:19:19,236 --> 01:19:21,571
And if that's the best
they're gonna do,

1340
01:19:21,571 --> 01:19:23,739
I don't think we're ever
gonna get to the truth.

1341
01:19:26,574 --> 01:19:29,035
This was a slap in the face
of survivors.

1342
01:19:29,160 --> 01:19:32,412
They're flouting the spirit
and the letter of the law.

1343
01:19:32,538 --> 01:19:37,083
KLASFELD: People kept
trying to push for the
release of the files,

1344
01:19:37,083 --> 01:19:39,417
and six weeks later,
all of a sudden,

1345
01:19:39,543 --> 01:19:43,420
3.5 million documents
hit the public.

1346
01:19:45,631 --> 01:19:47,757
NEWSREADER: 3 million
pages of documents,

1347
01:19:47,757 --> 01:19:51,260
180,000 images and 2,000 videos.

1348
01:19:51,385 --> 01:19:53,387
The latest release
of files related to

1349
01:19:53,387 --> 01:19:55,930
the paedophile
Jeffrey Epstein is shocking

1350
01:19:55,930 --> 01:19:58,306
in its size and its content.

1351
01:19:58,431 --> 01:20:01,226
NEWSREADER 2: Of the 180,000
images released,

1352
01:20:01,351 --> 01:20:03,435
these pictures of
the King's brother

1353
01:20:03,435 --> 01:20:05,604
seem to be what everyone
is talking about.

1354
01:20:05,729 --> 01:20:09,649
NEWSREADER 3: Police are
assessing claims Andrew
Mountbatten-Windsor

1355
01:20:09,774 --> 01:20:13,277
shared confidential reports
with Jeffrey Epstein.

1356
01:20:14,444 --> 01:20:18,280
KLASFELD: All of a
sudden, there are global
investigations in Europe.

1357
01:20:19,448 --> 01:20:21,158
NEWSREADER: Active
investigations are now under way

1358
01:20:21,283 --> 01:20:23,284
in at least 10 countries.

1359
01:20:23,409 --> 01:20:26,327
Poland has launched a probe
into the Epstein files

1360
01:20:26,327 --> 01:20:29,789
in a search of any potential
victims from that country.

1361
01:20:29,913 --> 01:20:32,082
{\an8}NEWSREADER: In Europe, the
former prime minister of Norway

1362
01:20:32,082 --> 01:20:34,500
{\an8}has been charged
with gross corruption.

1363
01:20:34,625 --> 01:20:36,961
NEWSREADER 2: Poland's prime
minister also says his country

1364
01:20:36,961 --> 01:20:38,670
would investigate
possible links between

1365
01:20:38,795 --> 01:20:40,088
the convicted sex offender

1366
01:20:40,088 --> 01:20:42,173
and Russian
intelligence services.

1367
01:20:43,090 --> 01:20:46,009
KLASFELD: The
people who maintained a
friendship with Epstein,

1368
01:20:46,009 --> 01:20:48,094
communications that
they thought were private

1369
01:20:48,094 --> 01:20:52,139
are now filling the pages
of newspapers internationally.

1370
01:20:53,724 --> 01:20:56,309
JESSE WEBER: My gosh,
was this embarrassing?

1371
01:20:56,309 --> 01:20:58,143
Can we start with Peter Attia?

1372
01:21:07,942 --> 01:21:10,611
CHRIS KENNY: Good Lord,
another very prominent person

1373
01:21:10,611 --> 01:21:12,988
caught up in all this
is Bill Gates, of course.

1374
01:21:13,113 --> 01:21:14,739
Claims that he picked up

1375
01:21:14,739 --> 01:21:18,033
a sexually transmitted disease
from a Russian woman.

1376
01:21:18,158 --> 01:21:20,285
He's denied that publicly.

1377
01:21:20,285 --> 01:21:22,578
WEBER: We have this footage
where Steve Bannon

1378
01:21:22,578 --> 01:21:27,165
is interviewing Epstein to try
to rehabilitate Epstein's image.

1379
01:21:27,290 --> 01:21:29,083
At the same time,
people are making sense

1380
01:21:29,083 --> 01:21:30,792
of the 3.5 million files,

1381
01:21:30,792 --> 01:21:35,463
there's Congress, who is
continuing to investigate this

1382
01:21:35,463 --> 01:21:37,839
and continuing to
call witnesses,

1383
01:21:37,839 --> 01:21:39,758
including the Attorney-General.

1384
01:21:44,595 --> 01:21:46,471
NEWSREADER: Alright, getting
back to our breaking news,

1385
01:21:46,471 --> 01:21:48,640
Attorney-General Pam Bondi
is set to testify

1386
01:21:48,640 --> 01:21:51,558
before the House Judiciary
Committee at any moment now.

1387
01:21:51,683 --> 01:21:53,976
NEWSREADER 2: Survivors say
their identities were exposed

1388
01:21:53,976 --> 01:21:55,770
because of inadequate redaction.

1389
01:21:57,688 --> 01:21:59,648
PHILLIPS: Well, right now, we're
heading over to the Capitol.

1390
01:21:59,648 --> 01:22:04,193
{\an8}I have a meeting with
Congressman Lou Correa.

1391
01:22:04,318 --> 01:22:08,530
After that, we'll be heading
over to Pam Bondi's hearing.

1392
01:22:18,286 --> 01:22:20,163
We have Congress
working on our side,

1393
01:22:20,163 --> 01:22:22,790
and, you know, they want answers
just as much as we do.

1394
01:22:24,458 --> 01:22:26,709
Hi. Nice to meet you.
Hi.

1395
01:22:26,835 --> 01:22:29,003
Hi. Lisa. Nice to meet you.
Pleasure meeting you.

1396
01:22:29,003 --> 01:22:31,213
Come on in. We have a
camera guy following us.

1397
01:22:31,213 --> 01:22:33,632
Oh, my, I should
have put my tie on.

1398
01:22:40,011 --> 01:22:42,096
{\an8}I wanna take a
moment to acknowledge

1399
01:22:42,221 --> 01:22:45,057
{\an8}the Epstein survivors
who are here today.

1400
01:22:45,057 --> 01:22:48,351
I am deeply sorry
for what any victim,

1401
01:22:48,351 --> 01:22:51,270
any victim has been through.

1402
01:22:51,395 --> 01:22:57,275
{\an8}Attorney-General Bondi, will you
turn to them now and apologise

1403
01:22:57,275 --> 01:23:02,111
{\an8}for what your Department of
Justice has put them through

1404
01:23:02,111 --> 01:23:05,281
with the absolutely
unacceptable release of

1405
01:23:05,406 --> 01:23:08,366
the Epstein files
and their information.

1406
01:23:17,290 --> 01:23:20,959
PHILLIPS: I was pretty
shocked that she just
didn't even turn her head,

1407
01:23:21,084 --> 01:23:24,253
just not even just a little bit
just to acknowledge.

1408
01:23:24,253 --> 01:23:26,087
It doesn't even have to be
an apology,

1409
01:23:26,087 --> 01:23:28,214
but to acknowledge
that we were there

1410
01:23:28,214 --> 01:23:30,758
and that we represent
1,200 survivors.

1411
01:23:33,218 --> 01:23:35,428
{\an8}To my right is an email

1412
01:23:35,428 --> 01:23:38,305
{\an8}that was sent by
the victims' lawyers to the DOJ.

1413
01:23:38,430 --> 01:23:40,849
{\an8}It was a list of names
not to release.

1414
01:23:40,974 --> 01:23:43,476
They released this email!

1415
01:23:43,601 --> 01:23:47,937
Literally the worst
thing you could do to
the survivors, you did.

1416
01:23:47,937 --> 01:23:49,938
And we know you touched
the document

1417
01:23:50,064 --> 01:23:51,607
because you redacted
the lawyer's name,

1418
01:23:51,607 --> 01:23:53,816
but you left
the survivor's name there.

1419
01:23:53,941 --> 01:23:57,028
MAN: So, I really have
just one question for you.

1420
01:23:57,153 --> 01:24:00,363
{\an8}How many of Epstein's
co-conspirators
have you indicted?

1421
01:24:00,363 --> 01:24:04,450
{\an8}How many perpetrators
are you even investigating?

1422
01:24:04,450 --> 01:24:06,993
First, you showed a...

1423
01:24:07,118 --> 01:24:09,120
I find it...
How many have you indicted?

1424
01:24:09,245 --> 01:24:11,288
Excuse me,
I'm gonna answer the question.

1425
01:24:11,288 --> 01:24:12,331
Answer my question.

1426
01:24:12,331 --> 01:24:13,624
No, I'm gonna
answer the question

1427
01:24:13,624 --> 01:24:15,458
the way I want to answer
the question.

1428
01:24:15,583 --> 01:24:17,793
No, you can answer
the question... Your
theatrics are ridiculous.

1429
01:24:17,793 --> 01:24:18,960
...the way I asked it.

1430
01:24:21,837 --> 01:24:25,674
PHILLIPS: I really got to see,
like, in the flesh, in person,

1431
01:24:25,799 --> 01:24:27,300
like, wow...

1432
01:24:28,718 --> 01:24:32,554
...they really are
turning a blind eye to
this for whatever reason.

1433
01:24:32,554 --> 01:24:35,681
And it only makes you
think that there's got
to be a real reason why,

1434
01:24:35,807 --> 01:24:36,891
right?

1435
01:24:39,059 --> 01:24:42,645
WOMAN: Madam Attorney-General,
will you meet with survivors
after this?

1436
01:24:42,770 --> 01:24:45,980
MAN: You're a disgrace to the
legal profession and to women.

1437
01:24:45,980 --> 01:24:49,317
What a shame you are!
Shameful person!

1438
01:24:51,777 --> 01:24:54,654
TOBIN: Are you looking at
the reaction

1439
01:24:54,779 --> 01:24:57,365
in Europe and the UK
and other parts of the world

1440
01:24:57,490 --> 01:25:00,200
and scratching your head
with what's going on here?

1441
01:25:00,200 --> 01:25:04,286
Yes. And I see
a different attitude overseas.

1442
01:25:04,286 --> 01:25:08,206
The untouchables
are touchable now.

1443
01:25:08,957 --> 01:25:11,375
Breaking news about
Andrew Mountbatten-Windsor.

1444
01:25:11,500 --> 01:25:15,086
The BBC understands that he
has been arrested on suspicion

1445
01:25:15,086 --> 01:25:17,296
of misconduct in public office.

1446
01:25:17,296 --> 01:25:19,506
NEWSREADER: It comes weeks
after the Justice Department

1447
01:25:19,631 --> 01:25:21,633
released emails
Andrew allegedly sent to

1448
01:25:21,633 --> 01:25:25,344
the late sex offender
Jeffrey Epstein, in 2010.

1449
01:25:26,469 --> 01:25:29,514
I think for several years

1450
01:25:29,639 --> 01:25:32,349
we'd always imagined
that it could come to this place

1451
01:25:32,474 --> 01:25:33,642
and he was arrested,

1452
01:25:33,642 --> 01:25:36,519
and I still found myself
absolutely speechless

1453
01:25:36,519 --> 01:25:38,520
for the first couple of hours.

1454
01:25:38,645 --> 01:25:41,356
NEWSREADER: Andrew was serving
as a UK trade envoy at the time,

1455
01:25:41,356 --> 01:25:43,149
and appears to have
forwarded Epstein

1456
01:25:43,149 --> 01:25:45,651
British government documents
on trade policy.

1457
01:25:45,651 --> 01:25:48,111
But this wasn't the story
that we were following at all,

1458
01:25:48,111 --> 01:25:49,903
this was something
completely different.

1459
01:25:50,029 --> 01:25:54,157
REPORTER: Now Peter
Mandelson, who was the
UK ambassador to the US,

1460
01:25:54,157 --> 01:25:55,908
has also now been arrested.

1461
01:25:56,034 --> 01:25:59,494
And, you know, it's
fascinating to see how
far this chain will go.

1462
01:25:59,619 --> 01:26:02,288
We are probably
only at the very beginning.

1463
01:26:03,205 --> 01:26:05,249
Over two dozen people
have resigned -

1464
01:26:05,249 --> 01:26:08,376
CEOs, members of
government worldwide -

1465
01:26:08,501 --> 01:26:11,420
but I haven't seen
any arrests or investigations

1466
01:26:11,420 --> 01:26:15,089
here in the United States
from this Department of Justice.

1467
01:26:16,215 --> 01:26:20,218
As an American journalist
looking at everything
happening in Europe,

1468
01:26:20,218 --> 01:26:24,138
this is how
sophisticated democracies react

1469
01:26:24,138 --> 01:26:25,639
to alarming information -

1470
01:26:25,639 --> 01:26:26,723
they investigate.

1471
01:26:26,848 --> 01:26:29,434
I have nothing to hide.
I've been exonerated.

1472
01:26:29,559 --> 01:26:31,977
I have nothing to do with
Jeffrey Epstein.

1473
01:26:31,977 --> 01:26:35,104
KLASFELD: What we're seeing
in the United States is

1474
01:26:35,229 --> 01:26:37,523
Trump's Justice Department
trying to say

1475
01:26:37,648 --> 01:26:39,691
that there is
nothing to see here.

1476
01:26:39,691 --> 01:26:41,859
WEBER: Is there evidence
that Jeffrey Epstein

1477
01:26:41,859 --> 01:26:45,071
was trafficking girls
to other powerful men?

1478
01:26:45,196 --> 01:26:48,406
According to the Associated
Press's review of the files,

1479
01:26:48,531 --> 01:26:49,990
the FBI says no.

1480
01:26:51,742 --> 01:26:55,161
In regards to the sex
trafficking and the abuse,

1481
01:26:55,286 --> 01:26:57,538
do you personally
know of evidence

1482
01:26:57,538 --> 01:27:01,333
that exists within
the Department of Justice,

1483
01:27:01,333 --> 01:27:04,960
within the FBI,
that has not come out yet?

1484
01:27:05,086 --> 01:27:07,587
I do. I do.

1485
01:27:11,882 --> 01:27:14,384
BALTZ: You know,
when you have different girls

1486
01:27:14,384 --> 01:27:18,512
telling the same stories,
corroborating each other...

1487
01:27:19,638 --> 01:27:22,098
...that's powerful,
really powerful.

1488
01:27:22,223 --> 01:27:24,100
So, and again,

1489
01:27:24,100 --> 01:27:28,686
I think we have to believe
victims and survivors
of this sort of thing.

1490
01:27:30,854 --> 01:27:34,440
I know of people
that girls were traded out to

1491
01:27:34,565 --> 01:27:36,609
that have not come out.

1492
01:27:40,278 --> 01:27:42,321
I tend to believe that

1493
01:27:42,446 --> 01:27:44,782
this story
is going to outlive me

1494
01:27:44,907 --> 01:27:48,201
because it's filled with
so many mysteries,

1495
01:27:48,201 --> 01:27:49,702
things people don't know.

1496
01:27:52,037 --> 01:27:55,456
We don't know the depth
of the cover-up yet,

1497
01:27:55,456 --> 01:28:01,461
but I think this will
eventually rank up there
with, uh, Watergate.

1498
01:28:01,586 --> 01:28:03,671
CARLSON: Hopefully
the American public's

1499
01:28:03,796 --> 01:28:05,922
going to continue
to care about this story

1500
01:28:06,047 --> 01:28:10,801
and continue to demand
that we get all of the answers.

1501
01:28:12,386 --> 01:28:15,638
We're done
laying down and being quiet.

1502
01:28:15,638 --> 01:28:17,598
Now we're screaming in public.

1503
01:28:19,933 --> 01:28:21,435
BANNON: It's a serious question.
Oh, sorry.

1504
01:28:21,435 --> 01:28:23,644
Do you think
you're the devil himself?

1505
01:28:23,769 --> 01:28:25,271
I don't know.
Why would you say that?

1506
01:28:25,271 --> 01:28:27,939
Because you have all
the attributes. You're
incredibly smart.

1507
01:28:27,939 --> 01:28:29,649
You remember, the devil...
Is the devil smart?

1508
01:28:29,649 --> 01:28:32,443
The devil's brilliant.

1509
01:28:32,443 --> 01:28:35,278
SPENCER: Jeffrey Epstein
was the true epitome of evil.

1510
01:28:35,278 --> 01:28:40,532
Very polished,
wealthy, well-spoken,
very intelligent man.

1511
01:28:40,657 --> 01:28:43,909
And he used all
of that for evil.

1512
01:28:46,494 --> 01:28:48,788
MAITLIS: We do not
do this story justice

1513
01:28:48,788 --> 01:28:51,040
if we think
it starts and ends with Epstein.

1514
01:28:51,165 --> 01:28:52,333
Of course it doesn't.

1515
01:28:52,333 --> 01:28:55,460
There is so much further to go.

1516
01:29:05,009 --> 01:29:06,801
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1517
01:29:06,801 --> 01:29:08,928
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